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The Bone
07-29-2010, 10:45 PM
When I am going down the road and getting on the throttle when I hit some bumps the rear end is all over the place Its hard to keep it in a straight line.
Would a watts link solve my problem or do I need LCA's UCA"s and panhard bar.
This is driving me nuts.Some fool in a BMW was holding me up and when I went around him every bump I hit the car was everywhere. This has to be fixed
Gr8snkbite
07-29-2010, 10:48 PM
Watts will do the trick. The LCA's mainly help with wheel hop.
Johnny Dangerously
07-29-2010, 10:53 PM
I was following Orf to his place at Orfstock & he has the Watts link. The road was a 2 lane county PA road. He was carving up the corners like he was in a ricer.
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When I am going down the road and getting on the throttle when I hit some bumps the rear end is all over the place Its hard to keep it in a straight line.
Would a watts link solve my problem or do I need LCA's UCA"s and panhard bar.
This is driving me nuts.Some fool in a BMW was holding me up and when I went around him every bump I hit the car was everywhere. This has to be fixed
Billet LCA are cheap and will get rid of most of the wheel hop but not all of it.
Birdman
07-29-2010, 11:26 PM
When I am going down the road and getting on the throttle when I hit some bumps the rear end is all over the place Its hard to keep it in a straight line.
Would a watts link solve my problem or do I need LCA's UCA"s and panhard bar.
This is driving me nuts.Some fool in a BMW was holding me up and when I went around him every bump I hit the car was everywhere. This has to be fixed
Like a day and night difference with a Watts link over a pan hard bar when handling bumps while corning......
Like a day and night difference with a Watts link over a pan hard bar when handling bumps while corning......
+1
The entire rear end of our SHELBYS is more akin to this http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWaM7rO3BpiZg2la4mYU-2LArfA8ebfxogHsYqTz44HuPdRqk&t=1&usg=__8LckjkmEJ5GBzpxw_42e5zhRwzY= than a modern GT car, I will probably end up with the Watts Link too as I have LOW expectations for my pending Panhard fix.
Iceman
07-30-2010, 12:59 AM
Ask Boston Mike how he likes his - He just put on a Fays 2 not long ago
http://store.bvmperformance.com/product_p/fays2%20watts%20link.htm
onecrazydog
07-30-2010, 01:38 AM
Fays2...
J&M Red Billet lowers and adj upper...
Tokico adj struts and shocks...
Still have the factory springs and sway bars...
It made a night and day difference... Car is very stable, the rear doesn't kick out any more when hard on the throttle and cornering is sweet!! No wheelhop whatsoever... Pretty fine control for some drifting action too!! Awesome for daily driving around the city too...
Watts: There is no substitute...
Joe G
07-30-2010, 04:06 AM
I love my watts link.
I always hated the jumpyness when turning over uneven roads (even some pretty smooth ones). Now - it's planted and very behaved when turning.
Plus, it's pretty easy to install. Heck - if I can do it, anyone can.
Back on topic....
Fays, Saleen or STEEDA?
There are still a few SALEEN Units around but they are getting hard to find, the others are easy to get and BVM carries the Fays, so who makes the best Watts Link?
SALEEN
http://static.racingjunk.com/63/ui/9/04/16473049-452-Saleen-Watts-Link-With-Sway-Bar.jpg
STEEDA
http://www.motorator.com/uploads/blog_images/0000/0002/steeda_watts_link1.jpg
FAYS 2
http://www.forwardperformance.com/watts%20front%20view%20.jpg
onecrazydog
07-30-2010, 05:58 AM
Back on topic....
Fays, Saleen or STEEDA?
There are still a few SALEEN Units around but they are getting hard to find, the others are easy to get and BVM carries the Fays, so who makes the best Watts Link?
SALEEN
http://static.racingjunk.com/63/ui/9/04/16473049-452-Saleen-Watts-Link-With-Sway-Bar.jpg
STEEDA
http://www.motorator.com/uploads/blog_images/0000/0002/steeda_watts_link1.jpg
FAYS 2
http://www.forwardperformance.com/watts%20front%20view%20.jpg
I would give the Saleen a Fail on looks alone... Some points for the red paint...
The Steeda one looks ok but wouldn't work on my vert, so Fail...
Fays2.. WIN!!
Of course that was a biased review...
Griggs,
http://www.griggsracing.com/product_info.php?products_id=606
Birdman
07-30-2010, 09:56 AM
Back on topic....
Fays, Saleen or STEEDA?
There are still a few SALEEN Units around but they are getting hard to find, the others are easy to get and BVM carries the Fays, so who makes the best Watts Link?
SALEEN
http://static.racingjunk.com/63/ui/9/04/16473049-452-Saleen-Watts-Link-With-Sway-Bar.jpg
STEEDA
http://www.motorator.com/uploads/blog_images/0000/0002/steeda_watts_link1.jpg
FAYS 2
http://www.forwardperformance.com/watts%20front%20view%20.jpg
I'm sure they all work pretty much the same. I've had the Saleen Watts link for a few years now and it's preformed flawlessly. It was very easy to install too.
Oh and no red paint on mine to slow me down either....lol
Oh and the black bar just behind the rear cover is not part of the watts link it is the rear sway bar.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z234/svtbird91/Gt500%20Suspension%20Mods/IMG_1618.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z234/svtbird91/Gt500%20Suspension%20Mods/Picture023.jpg
The Bone
07-30-2010, 02:21 PM
When I get ready I will get it from the store
Just have to squeeze the wife for the money.
Thanks guys
eclipseb2k2
07-30-2010, 09:44 PM
If I could add my 2 cents.... I have a fays2 and I love it. it got rid of a lot of the "play" in the rear end. Also the guy (Jim) from Fays is awesome, I was able to call him directly and get questions answered and he donated 50 buck to my FSG (family support group), just for that I will reccomend a fays2 from here on out.
Boston Mike
07-30-2010, 09:46 PM
Griggs,
http://www.griggsracing.com/product_info.php?products_id=606
there was a used on one another site for sale....................i had inquired before the fays came up.............long delay in response from the seller. Might still be out there..............
Boston Mike
07-30-2010, 09:49 PM
I'm sure they all work pretty much the same. I've had the Saleen Watts link for a few years now and it's preformed flawlessly. It was very easy to install too.
Oh and no red paint on mine to slow me down either....lol
Oh and the black bar just behind the rear cover is not part of the watts link it is the rear sway bar.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z234/svtbird91/Gt500%20Suspension%20Mods/IMG_1618.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z234/svtbird91/Gt500%20Suspension%20Mods/Picture023.jpg
I see it's black. The fastest color. Well done Birdy.
Just to keep me from getting flushed to the junkyard...............I have the Fays too. It has really planted the back end noticably. Mikey Likey.
This message brought to you by the Monkey Used Parts Network. MUPN..........next time you need parts, go with MUPN parts.
Gr8snkbite
07-30-2010, 11:41 PM
Fays just need to redesign for my 11 now...:doh2:
Joe G
07-31-2010, 02:05 AM
Fays just need to redesign for my 11 now...:doh2:
How is the 11' different?
Gr8snkbite
07-31-2010, 02:28 AM
How is the 11' different?
Remember, it's got external cooling fins now. Not sure how far they extend compared to older models. I'll have to take some measurements when its up on ramps Sunday.
Joe G
07-31-2010, 03:41 AM
Oh yeah. Didn't know they had that much of a difference.
I thought you were talking more about the axle and mounting points - those should be the same as the 07+ cars.
Fays just need to redesign for my 11 now...:doh2:
Do you really need it? I thought SVT finally got the rear end sorted with the 2011, especially with the SVT Package.
Birdman
07-31-2010, 11:13 AM
Do you really need it? I thought SVT finally got the rear end sorted with the 2011, especially with the SVT Package.
Good question JT but the Watts wouldn't affect the springs and shock package only enhance them IMO.
Gr8snkbite
07-31-2010, 01:16 PM
Do you really need it? I thought SVT finally got the rear end sorted with the 2011, especially with the SVT Package.
Probably not. They did do a lot of fixing there, but the back end is slightly off as previous models. I can see the tire protruding further on the driver side, so it's alignment is off about a half inch. Either need to do adj panhard or the watts to center it properly. I liked the watts, but we'll see.
The Bone
08-02-2010, 01:48 PM
so which one is the best the Steeda or the Fays sure is a big price difference from 600 to 900
Joe G
08-02-2010, 02:20 PM
IMO, no reason to spend more on the Steeda. They Fay's is designed like a brick house. It's very solid, the welds are fantastic, and Jim Fay is even available via his personal phone if you need help during the install.
When I visited his shop he showed me a few differences between his and the Steeda (which was re-designed after he brought his out to copy some of his work - but poorly IMO). One big difference is how it clamps to the axle.
Look at the Steeda - it has very small contact patches where it actually clamps to the axle.
http://www.motorator.com/uploads/blog_images/0000/0002/steeda_watts_link1.jpg
Now look at the Fays. The solid clamp is about 5" wide and the entire thing clamps evenly around the axle. This helps make sure the force is evenly distributed on a large patch - not a 1/16" area like the Steeda.
http://fays2.net/images/image%20d%20.jpg
http://fays2.net/images/image%20e%20.jpg
There's some more good info here.
http://fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_22_.html
Gr8snkbite
08-02-2010, 09:02 PM
cost is lower...but its a better product...you will not regret the Fays decision....
onecrazydog
08-02-2010, 10:02 PM
Plus the Fays2 is the Fastest color...
I think the Fays weighs the most though...
Gr8snkbite
08-02-2010, 11:36 PM
I think the Fays weighs the most though...
Maybe so...dunno...but it's performance, durability, construction and cost out weight the weight issue....
HSURB
08-03-2010, 12:16 AM
OK, so I'm ready to order a Fays after reading this thread.
Joe - where are you? Can you get one for me?
HSURB®
OK, so I'm ready to order a Fays after reading this thread.
Joe - where are you? Can you get one for me?
HSURB®
You do realize that you will only notice a difference when you drive the car, don't you?
HSURB
08-03-2010, 12:27 AM
You do realize that you will only notice a difference when you drive the car, don't you?
Orf - I do realize that. And I would usually give you a hard time right back, however I can't bring myself to do that.
I can't tell you how many times I thought about that barn the last couple of days and it really pisses me off. Showed both the wife and kids the photos of the barn before. Now I'm really glad I bought an Orfstock shirt with it on the back. A true collectors item.
HSURB®
Joe G
08-03-2010, 12:30 AM
OK, so I'm ready to order a Fays after reading this thread.
Joe - where are you? Can you get one for me?
HSURB®
http://store.bvmperformance.com/product_p/fays2%20watts%20link.htm
:tiphat:
Orf - I do realize that. And I would usually give you a hard time right back, however I can't bring myself to do that.
I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm a big boy. I can take far more than I dish out.
Fire away...
Gr8snkbite
08-03-2010, 01:47 AM
:boxing:
The Bone
08-03-2010, 04:06 AM
Thanks guys I just couldnt figure out why the steeds was 3 bills more. Fays is the one I am getting
Gr8snkbite
08-08-2010, 02:13 PM
Thanks guys I just couldnt figure out why the steeds was 3 bills more. Fays is the one I am getting
good choice....it'll go on the 11'...just gotta check with Jim to see if it'll clear the new diff cover...
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