Joe Gs getting the clutch/flywheel TSB done

[Joe G]

Yep, after worrying about it for over a year, I finally took it to the dealer I do a lot of business with. Spoke with the tech for a few minutes while waiting to pick up some parts, and let him take it for a test drive (with me in the passenger seat) to check it out. 30 seconds in he said, "yeah, something's wrong. You're on the way to having total failure soon. Lets go back and get you scheduled."


It's been feeling "different" since last fall -harder to get in some gears, clutch engaging/grabbing at times etc. It was hard to explain, but after driving the car for 3 years now I know what it used to feel like... and it's changed. It was still driveable and mostly trouble free, but those intermittent problems had me worried.

I originally thought that if it didn't fail by now, I wouldn't have a problem. But with my 3 year anniversary coming up soon, I thought it was better to be safe than sorry.

I hope the 2010 clutch/flywheel is trouble free - a few threads on other sites have my worried... but if I have a problem at least it will be covered.


Parts going on order tomorrow... wish me luck.

[Cheftjpeck]

Good luck Joe!!!

[6-Speed]

Hope all goes well. Keep us apprised of your clutch situation and let us know what you think of the new 2010+ clutch once installed.

[rickf73]

Good luck Joe, hope it goes smoothly.

[Joe G]

Thanks guys. I hope it's a easy swap too.

[Little Debbie]

good luck, Joe.

didn't rick have this done, too?

[King Cobra]

Good luck Joe....let us know how it goes and how you're thoughts on the 2010 clutch:waiting2:

[Quagmire]

Good luck Joe, hope the swap goes smoothly. Pretty sure you're going to like the feel of the 2010 clutch.

[ati]

Good thing your still under warranty.
Good Luck!

[onecrazydog]

How long will it take?

[Joe G]

How long will it take?

Once parts come in (TBD still), will only take a day (supposedly).

[Orf]

You'll be fine.

I went through this a few times.

The next one will be easier...

[mustang loco]

Good luck Joe with the new one bud'!!:tiphat2:

[Joe G]

Is the dealer aware of all the burnouts you do it it????
Based on the 100 or so you did at Orfstock, it's a miracle the clutch lasted this long. :innocent:

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Don't even joke about that. A guy who had his warranty claim denied said it was because of a post he made on a forum. http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84143#post84143

[onecrazydog]

Don't even joke about that. A guy who had his warranty claim denied said it was because of a post he made on a forum. http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84143#post84143

Well, that and the picture of his aftermarket pulley... That alone gives Ford an out, a poor one but that's the way it goes...

That is why my car is completely stock and I have never had it over 4000 rpm...

[HSURB]

Well, that and the picture of his aftermarket pulley... That alone gives Ford an out, a poor one but that's the way it goes...

That is why my car is completely stock and I have never had it over 4000 rpm...

Same here. Bone stock.

HSURB®

[JTB]

Don't even joke about that. A guy who had his warranty claim denied said it was because of a post he made on a forum. http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84143#post84143


:wow2:


That guy has a 2010 too.

[Iceman]

how long should a clutch last if there was not an issue? I'll b at 4 yrs with my cat Dec. 16th this yr. Still on the stock clutch/flywheel/tranny etc. I baby my car too.....actually since orfstock it's ben rarly drivn so it has ben babied the last few months.

[Carnut]

So how many miles do you have on car?

[Joe G]

So how many miles do you have on car?

Almost 8500...

[Grabber]

Same here. Bone stock.

HSURB®
Mines stock too.

Grabber (patent pending)

[68fastback]

Joegie, best of luck with the TSB bro ...hope it will be smooooooooooth sailing.


btw ...mine's 97.126% stock.

I don't know that I buy what that guy said on the other site. I have a funny feeling he might have been less than diplomatic or there may be more to it, but just a hunch. I seriously doubt Ford has people waste time combing the forums to pi$$ off folks with valid claims. There's two sides to every story ...and I know neither one -lol- ...so just sayin' :grin:

[Carnut]

I have about 5k on mine, no troubles so far. I am starting to worry about my warranty running out and then having this problem surface.

[Joe G]

I have about 5k on mine, no troubles so far. I am starting to worry about my warranty running out and then having this problem surface.

Yep. That concerned me too. I put about 1/2 my miles on since last year - especially driving to Shelbyfest twice and Orfstock 2010. I wanted to make sure IF I had an issue, it would show up before the warranty went bye-bye. Looks like I'm lucky I did.

[JTB]

If you have not had this TSB done you should make the best efforts to have it done before your warranty expires as it is not and issue of IF you will need the Tranny TSB but WHEN. IMO

[vnmous1]

how long should a clutch last if there was not an issue? I'll b at 4 yrs with my cat Dec. 16th this yr. Still on the stock clutch/flywheel/tranny etc. I baby my car too.....actually since orfstock it's ben rarly drivn so it has ben babied the last few months.

Hey all...just climbed out from under my rock. To Iceman's query, I am just about to turn 30k on my car. They replaced the trans and clutch at 8,000 a few years ago. I'm not exactly gentle on mine. I fully expect it to puke itself before the end of the season, but so far....so good. Keep in mind that my replacement isn't nearly as new, nifty and advanced as the recent ones.

bj

[Carnut]

If you have not had this TSB done you should make the best efforts to have it done before your warranty expires as it is not and issue of IF you will need the Tranny TSB but WHEN. IMO

Maybe so, but they are NOT going to do the TSB if there is no failure of the original parts. You are not suggesting, I deliberately make it an issue are you? :yikes:

[JTB]

Maybe so, but they are NOT going to do the TSB if there is no failure of the original parts. You are not suggesting, I deliberately make it an issue are you? :yikes:

Not, just stating the inevitable. Those with low mileage 500's should plan that getting the clutch sorted will be in their future and If it were me I'd look to the aftermarket (Centerforce or the like) for a replacement when it does go, as the OEM will be twice as expensive and maybe not as good. JMO

[68fastback]

Hey all...just climbed out from under my rock. To Iceman's query, I am just about to turn 30k on my car. They replaced the trans and clutch at 8,000 a few years ago. I'm not exactly gentle on mine. I fully expect it to puke itself before the end of the season, but so far....so good. Keep in mind that my replacement isn't nearly as new, nifty and advanced as the recent ones.

bj


Hi BJ, sounds like you have the originally revised/reengineered clutch with the cerametalic lining ...vs the revised-revised-TSB's '10 organic clutch (essentially the same as the ZR1's).


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Clutch life is affected by lots of things -lol- but typically organic clutches should last 100,000 miles of sane driving. But that's no fun!! There are many 99-02 cobras out there with 100,000K+ on their organic clutches. There are also plenty Termies who smoked theirs in the first 5000 -lol.

[Joe G]

Hi BJ, sounds like you have the originally revised/reengineered clutch with the cerametalic lining ...vs the revised-revised-TSB's '10 organic clutch (essentially the same as the ZR1's).



Really - the ZR1 has pretty much the same as the 2010+ GT500s?

[68fastback]

Really - the ZR1 has pretty much the same as the 2010+ GT500s?

:yes:

The 10-up organic clutch can't handle quite as much torque as the cerametalic (I forget the nums 1000 vs 800#' or 1200 vs 1000#'??), but should be very much smoother to engage and, in similar usage, should last about twice as long.

[Quagmire]

Having gone from an 09 to an 11, I can tell you that the 10/11 clutch is a joy to use in comparison to the 07-09 clutch.

It's just a huge difference, and it's great not having to drive around the clutch shudder any longer - esp. when backing uphill (i.e. my driveway).

[Carnut]

Mine doesn't shudder at all, I guess I have perfected the technique. Also have driven it in two parades in Arizona (lots of idling and starting). What are the chances of never having a problem you think?

[Black Vert SS]

I worry about this all the time
Because I have just turned 4000 miles on my 07 I wonder how long I have until I have problems. Will ford take care of me when and if a problem occurs? What if I don' have a problem until next year or later?

[Carnut]

I worry about this all the time
Because I have just turned 4000 miles on my 07 I wonder how long I have until I have problems. Will ford take care of me when and if a problem occurs? What if I don' have a problem until next year or later?

I would consider getting an extended waranty, I expect yours would be up soon. I know one of their plans takes care of clutches, at least I am pretty sure they do.

[JTB]

:yes:

The 10-up organic clutch can't handle quite as much torque as the cerametalic (I forget the nums 1000 vs 800#' or 1200 vs 1000#'??), but should be very much smoother to engage and, in similar usage, should last about twice as long.

The ZR1 Vette's Clutch is similar but not the same, the ZR1's transmission as a whole, is completely different as half the Tranny is over the REAR wheels and the ZR1 doesn't use a traditional drive shaft either.

[Joker]

I had the tranny and clutch TSB done with about 3,000 miles on it and the tranny again with about 8,000 miles on it. I'm at almost 16,000 and no issues right now.

[HSURB]

I had the tranny/clutch TSB at 1,850 miles.

HSURB®

[Grabber]

I had the tranny and clutch TSB done with about 3,000 miles on it and the tranny again with about 8,000 miles on it. I'm at almost 16,000 and no issues right now.

I'm so glad I had this work done 2 years ago when they were still putting in the ceramic clutch and 4100 series steel flywheel that Bill Woebkenberg designed. My car runs awesome still. I have 7,100 miles on it. No shudder or any issues.

[onecrazydog]

I'm so glad I had this work done 2 years ago when they were still putting in the ceramic clutch and 4100 series steel flywheel that Bill Woebkenberg designed. My car runs awesome still. I have 7,100 miles on it. No shudder or any issues.

So what kind of clutch is in my car? Would it be the same as you have now? I have no complaints either at this point...

[Joe G]

I had the tranny and clutch TSB done with about 3,000 miles on it and the tranny again with about 8,000 miles on it. I'm at almost 16,000 and no issues right now.


I had the tranny/clutch TSB at 1,850 miles.

HSURB®

When you guys had the TSB done, they replaced it with the 07/09 clutch and revised flywheel - correct?

[Joe G]

So what kind of clutch is in my car? Would it be the same as you have now? I have no complaints either at this point...

Did you have the TSB done?

[JTB]

FYI

Here's the parts list from my TRANNY TSB.

07-09 GT500 TRANNYS = FORD FAIL!

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp129/JTBConsulting/SHELBY/JTsTrannyTSBPartsListandPrices.jpg

[Joe G]

Thanks JT - I think I have that somewhere from Grabby too.


Those prices are BOLLOCKS though! :redcard:

[Grabber]

So what kind of clutch is in my car? Would it be the same as you have now? I have no complaints either at this point...
Any 2009 GT500 built after 8/19/08 - Has the New style flywheel (non slotted thicker 4100 series steel).

What was your build date?

My research can be found here:
http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35706-2009-gt500-the-exact-date-the-new-flywheel-started-going-in/page__view__findpost__p__559998

[JTB]

Thanks JT - I think I have that somewhere from Grabby too.


Those prices are BOLLOCKS though! :redcard:

Got that right, these are :canada: prices though which may be a bit higher than the prices on Grabbits list.

[Joe G]

Got that right, these are :canada: prices though which may be a bit higher than the prices on Grabbits list.

I just noticed that is from last year - is that for the newest TSB with the 2010 clutch/flywheel?

[Grabber]

FYI

Here's the parts list from my TRANNY TSB.

07-09 GT500 TRANNYS = FORD FAIL!

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp129/JTBConsulting/SHELBY/JTsTrannyTSBPartsListandPrices.jpg

JT,

The trannys were fine bud. It's the flywheel and clutch's that were the problem....and the dealers trying to rebuild the trannys and screwing them up because they had no business cracking the tranny open.

[onecrazydog]

Any 2009 GT500 built after 8/19/08 - Has the New style flywheel (non slotted thicker 4100 series steel).

What was your build date?

My research can be found here:
http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35706-2009-gt500-the-exact-date-the-new-flywheel-started-going-in/page__view__findpost__p__559998

Build date is 09/05/08 so I know I have the new parts... Are they the same parts that are being used for the tsb replacements or are they putting different clutches in now? If so, how come?

[Grabber]

Build date is 09/05/08 so I know I have the new parts... Are they the same parts that are being used for the tsb replacements or are they putting different clutches in now? If so, how come?

The parts going into the TSB now are the 2010 organic clutch. Ford is doing this because there are just to many people out there that can not drive the race clutch that is in the 2007 - 2009 GT500. The organic clutch is very forgiving and easy to drive. My mom could drive it. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm saying Ford wanted to cut it's warranty claims, so they got rid of the race clutch. BTW, your clutch is stronger than the 2010 clutch, but once it's gone, you can not buy it anymore, so enjoy it while you have it.

They very well could last us our life time and we may never need a new clutch.

[JTB]

JT,

The trannys were fine bud. It's the flywheel and clutch's that were the problem....and the dealers trying to rebuild the trannys and screwing them up because they had no business cracking the tranny open.

Thanks for the clarification Rob, I'm just disappointed that a car with as much development as ours had, had this major issue that has caused so much inconvenience and stress for the owners.

Thankfully, mine seems to be fine now, I thought I felt one of the symptoms creep back several months ago but it was an anomaly, since it has been fine and my clutch feel has stiffened back up to normal too.

[Grabber]

Thanks for the clarification Rob, I'm just disappointed that a car with as much development as ours had, had this major issue that has cause so much inconvenience and stress for the owners.

Thankfully, mine seems to be fine now, I thought I felt one of the symptoms creep back several months ago but it was an anomaly, since it has been fine and my clutch feel has stiffened back up to normal too.

The failure (IMO) is that Ford did not test the car in stop and go daily driving on hills, freeway ramp signals and traffic snarles. That's when the heat took it's toll on that original nodular iron flywheel. Ford tested the car on race tracks and there was no problem. When the problem showed it's ugly face, they thought it was the clutch hub and tranny input shaft. They did not realize the flywheels where warping and the root cause of the problem. Sure, changing the clutch hub to nickle so it would not rust helped and changing the input shaft to be a bit smoother and tweaking the pin diameter of the 26 splines helped the clutch release on the 2008 and early 2009 models, but the real fix did not hit the 2009 models till 8/19/08 manufacture date with the new flywheel design. Thanks to Bill Woebkenberg !!!

I'm glad yours is now fixed so you can enjoy your car.

[Joe G]

The parts going into the TSB now are the 2010 organic clutch. Ford is doing this because there are just to many people out there that can not drive the race clutch that is in the 2007 - 2009 GT500. The organic clutch is very forgiving and easy to drive. My mom could drive it. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm saying Ford wanted to cut it's warranty claims, so they got rid of the race clutch. BTW, your clutch is stronger than the 2010 clutch, but once it's gone, you can not buy it anymore, so enjoy it while you have it.

They very well could last us our life time and we may never need a new clutch.

Yeah, I didn't mind the high performance clutch of the 07-09's. It took a little to get used to, but it wasn't a problem (at least for me) after a few drives and getting to know where the release point was etc.

I'm sure I'll like the smoothness of the 2010 - but hope that it holds up. I'm glad I'm not in the high HP club - I'd bet those guys will have more issues with the new clutch than "regular" guys like me.

[Grabber]

It's too bad that Bill does not work for Ford any more. They lost a good one when they let him go during the big lay offs. Mercedes Benze scored when they hired him.

Bill authorized all my repairs to my car and helped many of my friends here. He's a true car guy.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Clutch/Clutch-TrannyReplacementparts085.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Clutch/Clutch-TrannyReplacementparts092.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Clutch/Clutch-TrannyReplacementparts096.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Clutch/Clutch-TrannyReplacementparts102.jpg

[onecrazydog]

The parts going into the TSB now are the 2010 organic clutch. Ford is doing this because there are just to many people out there that can not drive the race clutch that is in the 2007 - 2009 GT500. The organic clutch is very forgiving and easy to drive. My mom could drive it. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm saying Ford wanted to cut it's warranty claims, so they got rid of the race clutch. BTW, your clutch is stronger than the 2010 clutch, but once it's gone, you can not buy it anymore, so enjoy it while you have it.

They very well could last us our life time and we may never need a new clutch.

Great explanation, thanks Grabby!! Sucks though because if I had to replace the clutch I would want to replace exactly what is in it now... Organic clutch??? :redcard::redcard::redcard: GRRRR...

[KC BadCat]

got the new tranny with a greased spline and new (old design) clutch and flywheel,,,,,,,,,,runs great, will run it till it breaks, and then put in an aftermarket..........no sense being over sensitive....wear out what ya got and then put in the best aftermarket you can come up with..no reason to stick with a ford product..

[Gr8snkbite]

status.......:waiting2:

[Joe G]

Called them yesterday. They're waiting on one part still - the dufus didn't know which one. :doh2:

I'm calling the main tech to make sure every part is there before I bring it in. I'm not gonna take it there, have them tear it down, only to find they forgot one part or the proper bolts. I've read too many stories about that shiite. I'm double checking every box and part # vs. the TSB list before I give them the keys. :bigboss:

[JTB]

Called them yesterday. They're waiting on one part still - the dufus didn't know which one. :doh2:

I'm calling the main tech to make sure every part is there before I bring it in. I'm not gonna take it there, have them tear it down, only to find they forgot one part or the proper bolts. I've read too many stories about that shiite. I'm double checking every box and part # vs. the TSB list before I give them the keys. :bigboss:


Joe, make sure they order all the Fasteners too, many fasteners are recommended ONE TIME use and many parts guys forget to order new fasteners.

[Joe G]

:rant:

Still no word. :banghead:

[JTB]

:rant:

Still no word. :banghead:


WTH? I thought this was completed for some reason...

[Joe G]

I wish... :waiting:

[Joe G]

I wish... :waiting:


Called my tech today. He was out, so I spoke to his backup. The other tech looked in the system.... and said "I don't see anything on order or even a pending work order for you."

:angry:


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!


I left a not too subtle voicemail for my guy that he better get his sh!t together and call me first thing tomorrow morning.


I'm not liking what I fear I'm gonna hear tomorrow.

[Gr8snkbite]

that sucks.....i'd be paying a personal visit...

[Joe G]

You're both right, MC/JT. :grin:


I'm driving down there tomorrow for a "personal meeting" :trouble:


:shades:

[rickf73]

That sux, seems this clutch problem has been a chain screw ups since the beginning.

[68fastback]

That sux, Joegie! And they have no paperwork? Tell me your car isn't there all this time!

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...what are they? ...complete idiots?!
















:haha:

[Joe G]

That sux, Joegie! And they have no paperwork? Tell me your car isn't there all this time!

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...what are they? ...complete idiots?!

:haha:

No. The car is still home. It's still driveable, just has the telltale signs of the TSB.

We'll see what the original tech says about the paperwork. Maybe the other guy was just a dufus and didn't see it in the system, but I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about that right now.





... and yes they are. :shades:

[6-Speed]

Called them yesterday. They're waiting on one part still - the dufus didn't know which one. :doh2:

I'm calling the main tech to make sure every part is there before I bring it in. I'm not gonna take it there, have them tear it down, only to find they forgot one part or the proper bolts. I've read too many stories about that shiite. I'm double checking every box and part # vs. the TSB list before I give them the keys. :bigboss:
That's what happened to my car. The parts kit was not complete; they didn't realize that until they tore into the tranny. Car was sitting on a lift at the dealer for 3 weeks awaiting parts to arrive.

Everything did work out okay in the end, but at the time it was no fun waiting.

[The Bone]

Maybe Ford needs a new test driver to check out there car's before they go on the market. Every year its the same old thing the clutch TSB. I sure hope the Ford boys aren't hanging with the Dodge boys that would splain a lot
I am by the way offering my services as test driver. I could be on a plane in the morning. Just Saying

[68fastback]

No. The car is still home. It's still driveable, just has the telltale signs of the TSB.

We'll see what the original tech says about the paperwork. Maybe the other guy was just a dufus and didn't see it in the system, but I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about that right now.





... and yes they are. :shades:

...original guy will probably have a reason ...hopefully a good one -- like "I'm bird-dogging this one myself" or other reassuring words.

Hopefully he's not related to these guys:

2848

...speaking of which: where the heck is Carnut? He's been MIA for well over a week now ...hope all is ok.

[Joe G]

Work kept me in the office all day. :banghead:


The dufus left me a message though.... said everything is still a go. One part (don't know which one as he didn't say) is still on national back order.

[HSURB]

Work kept me in the office all day. :banghead:


The dufus left me a message though.... said everything is still a go. One part (don't know which one as he didn't say) is still on national back order.

Probably the main bearing.

HSURB®

[Joe G]

Got the call - all parts are in. :woohoo:



Now I need to find time to get the car down there for the work. :banghead:

[68fastback]

...well, allright!!!!! :banana:

PICS!!!

:haha:

[mustang loco]

Got the call - all parts are in. :woohoo:



:

:wtg:

[Joe G]

where is the shop? Florida? :wow2:

South side of town.

[Little Debbie]

that doesn't sound like a good place to be...south side of town.

good everything's in finally.

[Joe G]

Actually the south suburbs are very nice. :spend:

[Joe G]

I swear.... I have the luck of a :monkey: sometimes. :banghead:


Heading out of town this afternoon, so was gonna take the car in this morning.

Go to start it - nothin!


:rant:



I haven't driven the car but maybe once in the past month, but always have the battery tender on it.

Checked - yep, battery tender was still on.


Go to get my jump box - 900amps - hook it up, lights and everything works, but not enough to start. Just get the "click, click, click..."


Look at the battery (still OEM) - the little green light on the top is gone.

Looks like the battery is probably toast.



No time to get a new one and change it out. Guess the car won't get the TSB until next week now. :doh2:

[JTB]

I swear.... I have the luck of a :monkey: sometimes. :banghead:


Heading out of town this afternoon, so was gonna take the car in this morning.

Go to start it - nothin!


:rant:



I haven't driven the car but maybe once in the past month, but always have the battery tender on it.

Checked - yep, battery tender was still on.


Go to get my jump box - 900amps - hook it up, lights and everything works, but not enough to start. Just get the "click, click, click..."


Look at the battery (still OEM) - the little green light on the top is gone.

Looks like the battery is probably toast.



No time to get a new one and change it out. Guess the car won't get the TSB until next week now. :doh2:



:wow2:

That blows JOE...

[GT500FLYBOY]

Just had my Spec Supertwin P-trim replaced with a 2010 TSB clutch. It has a very light action and is very forgiving. Nothing like the Spec which was virtually on and off. I don't plan to track the car any more and wanted to make it a more pleasant ride. I think you'll like it Joe...

[68fastback]

That really sucks, Joegie.

Oh, well... Hope it's a clean TSB install when you eventually get it to them.

[Joe G]

That's what you get for trying to imitate HSURB. Drive the dang thing. And maybe clean your battery terminals??? :shades:

:groan:

Work and weather have conspired against me driving it recently.






But my battery terminals are as clean as when it came off the factory floor. :boink:


Unlike some :monkey: around here. :shades:

[Joe G]

After the car didn't start last week I put the battery tender back on it (just in case). Just for S&G's I tried to start it today - VROOOM! - started on first try. :doh2:

Don't know what happened. Maybe one of the tender's clips didn't make good contact before and let the battery run down. Dunno.

Another thing I thought was weird was that when it didn't start before, I had just swapped back to the stock intake and had downloaded the stock tune back in. No problems at all during the re-flash. It was after that, that the battery was worn down to the point of not being able to start the car. Thinking out loud here... does re-flashing the tune take a lot of battery power? If so, it may have wiped out the battery - making it weak enough to not have the juice to crank.


Oh well. Went on a 2 hour drive by myself. I fall in love with this car every time I'm behind the wheel. But it's amazing how tame the stock tune and intake really is. I barely heard the SC. I can't wait to get the new clutch/flywheel in next week so I can install my new CAI/tune (Birdy... email coming soon :shades:)

[Grabber]

I fall in love with this car every time I'm behind the wheel.

I know exactly what you mean Joegie. I hope the TSB goes off with out a hitch for you.

[Joe G]

Thanks Rob. :webers:

[onecrazydog]

Went on a 2 hour drive by myself. I make love to this car every time I'm behind the wheel. (Birdy... email pics coming soon :shades:)


Kinky!!

[Joe G]

Kinky!!

:crazy:

[Gr8snkbite]

After the car didn't start last week I put the battery tender back on it (just in case). Just for S&G's I tried to start it today - VROOOM! - started on first try. :doh2:

Don't know what happened. Maybe one of the tender's clips didn't make good contact before and let the battery run down. Dunno.

Another thing I thought was weird was that when it didn't start before, I had just swapped back to the stock intake and had downloaded the stock tune back in. No problems at all during the re-flash. It was after that, that the battery was worn down to the point of not being able to start the car. Thinking out loud here... does re-flashing the tune take a lot of battery power? If so, it may have wiped out the battery - making it weak enough to not have the juice to crank.


Oh well. Went on a 2 hour drive by myself. I fall in love with this car every time I'm behind the wheel. But it's amazing how tame the stock tune and intake really is. I barely heard the SC. I can't wait to get the new clutch/flywheel in next week so I can install my new CAI/tune (Birdy... email coming soon :shades:)

Yes it does. If the battery already didn't have a full charge, switching tunes could have brought it down far enough not have enough juice to start. That's why they tell you to make sure there's a full charger before switching tunes.

[onecrazydog]

Yes it does. If the battery already didn't have a full charge, switching tunes could have brought it down far enough not have enough juice to start. That's why they tell you to make sure there's a full charger before switching tunes.

Tes, good thing it didn't die while downloading the tune....

[Joe G]

Yes it does. If the battery already didn't have a full charge, switching tunes could have brought it down far enough not have enough juice to start. That's why they tell you to make sure there's a full charger before switching tunes.

It's always hooked up to the tender so I figured it was fully charged. Guess I got lucky.

[Joe G]

Tes, good thing it didn't die while downloading the tune....

That would have sucked.

[Tommy Gun]

Yep, after worrying about it for over a year, I finally took it to the dealer I do a lot of business with. Spoke with the tech for a few minutes while waiting to pick up some parts, and let him take it for a test drive (with me in the passenger seat) to check it out. 30 seconds in he said, "yeah, something's wrong. You're on the way to having total failure soon. Lets go back and get you scheduled."


It's been feeling "different" since last fall -harder to get in some gears, clutch engaging/grabbing at times etc. It was hard to explain, but after driving the car for 3 years now I know what it used to feel like... and it's changed. It was still driveable and mostly trouble free, but those intermittent problems had me worried.

I originally thought that if it didn't fail by now, I wouldn't have a problem. But with my 3 year anniversary coming up soon, I thought it was better to be safe than sorry.

I hope the 2010 clutch/flywheel is trouble free - a few threads on other sites have my worried... but if I have a problem at least it will be covered.


Parts going on order tomorrow... wish me luck.



Thread started 08-24-2010 ?

Did this ever happen?


:waiting:

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[Joe G]

Thread started 08-24-2010 ?

Did this ever happen?


:waiting:

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Re-read post #85.

I dropped it off this afternoon, so they can start working on it first thing tomorrow morning.

[68fastback]

:beerchug: for a clean install, Joegie!

[Joe G]

:sneaking2:

Hi Rick! How is your new clutch/flywheel holding up? Likes? Dislikes?

[rickf73]

Works great, getting a little stiffer. I did notice today when I got on it good in 3rd I was not getting all I thought I should have gotten when getting on the Interstate but could have been the TC kicking in.
Got a little wild with her yesterday in 2nd and it really broke loose. Need better traction.

[Joe G]

My tech just called and the car is done! :woohoo:

No problems.

The new KR shifter was installed.

He's taking it out on a quick test right now, but everything seems fine so far.

Unfortunately, I'll need to wait until tomorrow morning to pick it up as we have karate class for my son and dance class for my daughter tonight.

Feels good to have this behind me. :crazy:

[Boston Mike]

My tech just called and the car is done! :woohoo:

No problems.

The new KR shifter was installed.

He's taking it out on a quick test right now, but everything seems fine so far.

Unfortunately, I'll need to wait until tomorrow morning to pick it up as we have karate class for my son and dance class for my daughter tonight.

Feels good to have this behind me. :crazy:

Wow. That was quick.

[Joe G]

Wow. That was quick.

Yeah. I dropped it off yesterday afternoon so he could start working on it right away this morning.

He's also pretty much the only guy there to do GT500 and other high performance mods, so he has it down pat now. I forgot how many TSB's he said he's done, but it's a bunch.


This is also why I drove to the opposite side of town to get it done vs. the dealership just down the road. The one near me doesn't do any real performance mods vs. my guys who have their own shop racing team. :chirp:

[Joe G]

PICS!!! :haha:

...glad to hear it went smooth, Joe!

:trouble:


It's not "smooth" yet... still need to pick it up and make sure the tech did his job right.

Otherwise I may have a short sidetrip for DS and his bucket before he heads out of country. :shades:

[Joe G]

:angry:

I went to pick up my car this morning....


:nonono:

[68fastback]

:shock: what happened?

[HSURB]

:angry:

I went to pick up my car this morning....


:nonono:

And . . . .

[Joe G]

I'm pissed that I didn't get this done sooner.


The new clutch/flywheel combo is SMOOOOOOOTH as butta!

Wow what a difference.




And a big thanks to those who talked me into swapping to the KR shifter (available in the BVM Performance store :shades:) - I'm lovin' the shifter!

:chirp:

[rickf73]

Glad everything went well. Have fun with the new clutch.

[HSURB]

I'm pissed that I didn't get this done sooner.


The new clutch/flywheel combo is SMOOOOOOOTH as butta!

Wow what a difference.




And a big thanks to those who talked me into swapping to the KR shifter (available in the BVM Performance store :shades:) - I'm lovin' the shifter!

:chirp:

I knew you would like KR shifter. Night and day difference.

HSURB®

[Tommy Gun]

Yep, after worrying about it for over a year, I finally took it to the dealer I do a lot of business with. Spoke with the tech for a few minutes while waiting to pick up some parts, and let him take it for a test drive (with me in the passenger seat) to check it out. 30 seconds in he said, "yeah, something's wrong. You're on the way to having total failure soon. Lets go back and get you scheduled."


It's been feeling "different" since last fall -harder to get in some gears, clutch engaging/grabbing at times etc. It was hard to explain, but after driving the car for 3 years now I know what it used to feel like... and it's changed. It was still driveable and mostly trouble free, but those intermittent problems had me worried.

I originally thought that if it didn't fail by now, I wouldn't have a problem. But with my 3 year anniversary coming up soon, I thought it was better to be safe than sorry.

I hope the 2010 clutch/flywheel is trouble free - a few threads on other sites have my worried... but if I have a problem at least it will be covered.


Parts going on order tomorrow... wish me luck.




How did this work out?




I think my clutch is going again.

I am at about 30,000 miles.

It was last changed out at around 11,000 miles I think?

I'm not putting another factory clutch in it.

I will either sell the car or put in a spec clutch.

.

[Joe G]

How did this work out?
.

I had to put the car into storage soon after I got it back, so I'll know more this spring. But the limited amount of time I did drive it after the TSB work it was very much improved.



I think my clutch is going again.

I am at about 30,000 miles.

It was last changed out at around 11,000 miles I think?

I'm not putting another factory clutch in it.

I will either sell the car or put in a spec clutch.

.

That bites.

I'd go aftermarket too.

[Gr8snkbite]

Yep, go spec and be happy.

[Tommy Gun]

I think a spec clutch is like $1700 and install is like $750 + flywheel.

At $2500 it is going to be hard to make a decision.


I remember when I use to be able to do a clutch job in an afternoon for $250. :nonono:

.

[Gr8snkbite]

You could do the clutch yourself in one weekend using perrys lift...

[Joe G]

You could do the clutch yourself in one weekend using perrys lift...

:yes:

I don't think it's that tough - having the lift and a friend or 2 to help would make it a no-brainer IMO.

[Tommy Gun]

http://www.specclutch.com/cars/Ford/GT500/2007/Super_Twin

[Tommy Gun]

You could do the clutch yourself in one weekend using perrys lift...



Do you know how heavy a TR 6060 is?

I have one in my shed, come by and I'll show you. :faint:

.

[Joe G]

I can't get a big discount on them, but I get some off of retail.

[Tommy Gun]

I can't get a big discount on them, but I get some off of retail.



Even for me? :faint:




LOL

[Joe G]

Do you know how heavy a TR 6060 is?

I have one in my shed, come by and I'll show you. :faint:

.

:idea:



http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/transmission_jack.jpg

[Joe G]

Even for me? :faint:




LOL

:tiphat:

[Tommy Gun]

:idea:



http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/transmission_jack.jpg



Exactly.

[68fastback]

Joegie, do you have the new organic clutch as in the TSB third iteration (like in the '11s) yes?

TG, do you have the second design TSB with the revised flywheel and cerametalic clutch? Wouldn't you go with the '11 organic setup *if* Ford did it under warranty? Just a thought. (I sure would.)

[Joe G]

Joegie, do you have the new organic clutch as in the TSB third iteration (like in the '11s) yes?



Yes - I have the 2010/2011 clutch/flywheel combo.

[Tommy Gun]

Joegie, do you have the new organic clutch as in the TSB third iteration (like in the '11s) yes?

TG, do you have the second design TSB with the revised flywheel and cerametalic clutch? Wouldn't you go with the '11 organic setup *if* Ford did it under warranty? Just a thought. (I sure would.)


I am not sure what I have.

I am out of warranty though.

My car is over 4 years old and last I heard Ford was claiming the clutches only last 12,000 miles.

I've gotten my moneys worth out of the warranty.

And I no longer have a dealership mechanic that I trust.

I won't be going through this again.

Once this GT500 is gone I'm done.

[68fastback]

I am not sure what I have.

I am out of warranty though.

My car is over 4 years old and last I heard Ford was claiming the clutches only last 12,000 miles.

I've gotten my moneys worth out of the warranty.

And I no longer have a dealership mechanic that I trust.

I won't be going through this again.

Once this GT500 is gone I'm done.

Oh, I see ...it might just be the friction material wearing out ...I thought maybe it was failing mechanically -- which might still be covered by the 5/60 drivetrain warranty.

[Tommy Gun]

I'm starting to feel a lot more chatter again when trying to shift.

I don't feel any slippage yet.

It feels weird all around, but drivable.

On quick shifts, second is pretty bad sometimes. Very hard to hit second in a quick shift....and yes I know how to shift. :trouble:



.

[68fastback]

...could be warranty then?

...but if you don't trust the mechanic maybe isn't worth risking a problem ...like JT had.

---

time for BOSS LS :grin:

:hide:

[Tommy Gun]

The Boss is very very tempting, but I'm trying to simplify my life and have less stuff to take care of and pay for.

.

[68fastback]

I can appreciate that.


:idea: ...so maybe you can swap the GT500 and the track turd for a full-warranty BOSS that serves both purposes :uwelcome:

[Tommy Gun]

I can appreciate that.


:idea: ...so maybe you can swap the GT500 and the track turd for a full-warranty BOSS that serves both purposes :uwelcome:



I can buy the Boss outright, but I would still be scared to take it to the track...although that would be ultimately cool.


If you look closely at all these videos Ford posts w/ their cars on the track they all have some damage.

I don't care how well you drive, stuff happens.

Here is one of Fords professional drivers at VIR coming from waaaaaaay out in left field. LOL



http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/fastestshelby2/VIR%20May%202010/th_MOV08439.jpg (http://s670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/fastestshelby2/VIR%20May%202010/?action=view&current=MOV08439.mp4)


.

[Joe G]

Exactly. No way I'd be racing a new Boss.

I like the track turd idea more and more if/when I get into what you're doing TG.

[68fastback]

I can buy the Boss outright, but I would still be scared to take it to the track...although that would be ultimately cool.


If you look closely at all these videos Ford posts w/ their cars on the track they all have some damage.

I don't care how well you drive, stuff happens.

Here is one of Fords professional drivers at VIR coming from waaaaaaay out in left field. LOL


.

True ...so I've heard :shades: ...so much for simplifying...

ok ...trade the GT500 for a BOSS then :uwelcome:

:grin:

...if you want to *really* simplify, I have a '93 Taurus for ya :-) ...if it breaks, just take the plates off :haha:

...simplifying is overrated ;-)

[JTB]

I can buy the Boss outright, I'm a BIG Shooter :spend: , but I would still be scared to take it to the track...although that would be ultimately cool.


If you look closely at all these videos Ford posts w/ their cars on the track they all have some damage.

I don't care how well you drive, stuff happens.

Here is one of Fords professional drivers at VIR coming from waaaaaaay out in left field. LOL



http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/fastestshelby2/VIR%20May%202010/th_MOV08439.jpg (http://s670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/fastestshelby2/VIR%20May%202010/?action=view&current=MOV08439.mp4)


.

+1 on the track damage Bollocks, shat even happens to and from the track, during travel, off-loading etc. Almost impossible to keep track vehicles (Motorcycles or Cars) nice, unless you have a crew and a sponsor. JMO

[The Bone]

I would be sad to see you're car go because of the clutch.

[Tommy Gun]

I would be sad to see you're car go because of the clutch.


I get tired of it sometimes.

Having to spend $2000 on something I don't use much is getting to me.

I'd almost like to build me another car....but just don't have the time.


.

[HSURB]

I get tired of it sometimes.

Having to spend $2000 on something I don't use much is getting to me.

I'd almost like to build me another car....but just don't have the time.


.

I took my car out for a nice long drive today. As I was coming home, I met my son coming back from the gym. We stopped and talked on the street. He said, that car looks awesome Dad. Guess that's what happens when you only get it out a couple of times over an exceptionally shitty winter.

I won't be getting rid of mine any time soon. Wouldn't have much other than work to look forward to.

HSURB®

[Gr8snkbite]

I took my car out for a nice long drive today. As I was coming home, I met my son coming back from the gym. We stopped and talked on the street. He said, that car looks awesome Dad. Guess that's what happens when you only get it out a couple of times over an exceptionally shitty winter.

I won't be getting rid of mine any time soon. Wouldn't have much other than work to look forward to.

HSURB®

absolutely...always nice to just take it out for a spin.....

[The Bone]

TG I am sure that you can get a decent clutch for less can't you. You drive yours mine has about 12,000 on it. Maybe you could trade up to the 11. I know you hate the back but just think how much other people will hate it when that all they get to see

[Tommy Gun]

I like the classic look of the '07 body style, that's why I bought it.

I probably won't buy another Mustang....unless someone has a killer deal on a very nice Boss LS in a couple years.

But those people will probably think those cars are worth more than they are too. :doh2:

[Joe G]

I had to put the car into storage soon after I got it back, so I'll know more this spring. But the limited amount of time I did drive it after the TSB work it was very much improved.

.

I've put a few hundred miles on it in the past few weeks and the clutch is awesome. I really like it - buttery smooth.

[68fastback]

I've put a few hundred miles on it in the past few weeks and the clutch is awesome. I really like it - buttery smooth.

:wtg: ...good to hear, Joe!!

[onecrazydog]

I like the factory chattering, hissy, jerky clutch in my car... From what I understand you can't get them anymore?? Just the fruity organic ones... Guess I will be going aftermarket when the clutch goes...

[Joe G]

I like the factory chattering, hissy, jerky clutch in my car... From what I understand you can't get them anymore?? Just the fruity organic ones... Guess I will be going aftermarket when the clutch goes...

True. The 07-09 version is no longer available.

I liked and was used to the more grippy, chattering stock 07-09 version - but the 2010+ version is SOOOO smooth I'm willing to live with it.

[rickf73]

Since it doesn't seem to be the clutch that is the problem, why not replace the Flywheel with something that can handle the clutch?

[Joe G]

Since it doesn't seem to be the clutch that is the problem, why not replace the Flywheel with something that can handle the clutch?

I think you need to match the clutch with the flywheel - you can't change out just one to a different version (ie: keep stock clutch but go aftermarket with the flywheel).

[rickf73]

I think you need to match the clutch with the flywheel - you can't change out just one to a different version (ie: keep stock clutch but go aftermarket with the flywheel).

Ok, that makes sense, but it doesn't appear they were a good match to begin with. :doh2:

[Tommy Gun]

How's this working out Joe?

How many miles on the clutch so far?

[Joe G]

How's this working out Joe?

How many miles on the clutch so far?Love it. No problems.

Not sure how many miles since then.... I don't read back.

[Joe G]

That is why my car is completely stock and I have never had it over 4000 rpm...Is this still the case, Dog?


:look:

[onecrazydog]

Is this still the case, Dog?


:look:

Yes, that is still happening...

[Tommy Gun]

Never over 4000 ? :nonono:

[Tommy Gun]

Never over 4000 ? :nonono:


Must just be running against black cars and white cars. :webers:

[mustang loco]

Must just be running against black vert's. :webers:

...fixed









:giggle:

[Tommy Gun]

:goodpost:

[mustang loco]

:goodpost:

:tiphat:

[68fastback]

Never over 4000 ? :nonono:
.
..must be metric :lol:

[Joe G]

Must just be running against black cars and white cars. :webers:


...fixed









:giggle:


:goodpost:


:tiphat::hey2:


:gun::gun:

[Alloy Dave]

Love it. No problems.

Not sure how many miles since then.... I don't read back.:pics: or it didn't happen.

[Joe G]

:pics: or it didn't happen.You'll have to read back...

[onecrazydog]

.
..must be metric :lol:


:innocent:

[Tommy Gun]

Darn Canadians :nonono:

[Tommy Gun]

You'll have to read back...


Now I'm scared :surprised:

[Tommy Gun]

.
..must be metric conversion of a quantum subdivided level of rpms only seen when the square root of a pathagorism of a bilateral representation of the real number is use while divided by pi. :lol:


Stop making things so complicated! :rant:


.

[onecrazydog]

I like pie!!

http://www.gastroanthropology.com/.a/6a00e554768e2e88340133ed056f0e970b-800wi

[Tommy Gun]

:hungry:

[Tommy Gun]

...oh, nice tech post. :look:

[onecrazydog]

...oh, nice tech post. :look:

Dan started it by mentioning pie... Technically, all I did was post a piece...

[68fastback]

:spitcopy:

:drool: key-lime pie :drool: ;-)

[Tommy Gun]

Yep, after worrying about it for over a year, I finally took it to the dealer I do a lot of business with. Spoke with the tech for a few minutes while waiting to pick up some parts, and let him take it for a test drive (with me in the passenger seat) to check it out. 30 seconds in he said, "yeah, something's wrong. You're on the way to having total failure soon. Lets go back and get you scheduled."


It's been feeling "different" since last fall -harder to get in some gears, clutch engaging/grabbing at times etc. It was hard to explain, but after driving the car for 3 years now I know what it used to feel like... and it's changed. It was still driveable and mostly trouble free, but those intermittent problems had me worried.

I originally thought that if it didn't fail by now, I wouldn't have a problem. But with my 3 year anniversary coming up soon, I thought it was better to be safe than sorry.

I hope the 2010 clutch/flywheel is trouble free - a few threads on other sites have my worried... but if I have a problem at least it will be covered.


Parts going on order tomorrow... wish me luck.


How is this working out?

[Joe G]

How is this working out?

Love it. :wtg:

[Tommy Gun]

:wtg:

[Tommy Gun]

Yep, after worrying about it for over a year, I finally took it to the dealer I do a lot of business with. Spoke with the tech for a few minutes while waiting to pick up some parts, and let him take it for a test drive (with me in the passenger seat) to check it out. 30 seconds in he said, "yeah, something's wrong. You're on the way to having total failure soon. Lets go back and get you scheduled."


It's been feeling "different" since last fall -harder to get in some gears, clutch engaging/grabbing at times etc. It was hard to explain, but after driving the car for 3 years now I know what it used to feel like... and it's changed. It was still driveable and mostly trouble free, but those intermittent problems had me worried.

I originally thought that if it didn't fail by now, I wouldn't have a problem. But with my 3 year anniversary coming up soon, I thought it was better to be safe than sorry.

I hope the 2010 clutch/flywheel is trouble free - a few threads on other sites have my worried... but if I have a problem at least it will be covered.


Parts going on order tomorrow... wish me luck.


How is this working out?

.

[68fastback]

:doh: :rofl2:

[Joe G]

How is this working out?

.
Good as ever. :chirp:

[Tommy Gun]

:wtg:

[Grabber]

Good as ever. :chirp:


Mine too ! Tana's too !

[Joe G]

Mine too ! Tana's too !

:woohoo: