Under the knife! Full Griggs suspension going in tomorrow!

[Joker]

After reading about everyones experience with Griggs I gave Van at Revan Racing a call and he hooked me up with an incredible price on a slightly used front GR40 SS setup.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/134.jpg

Well after going back and forth in making my decision, I pulled the trigger and bought the rear GT40 TT setup also! Torque arm, Watts link, Koni Adjustables etc. Went with alittle higher spring rate to make up for my stereo system for those that were wondering! I met John Grigg's today at his shop and talked to him for awhile before loading up my parts! Really nice guy!

I can't wait to get it back and try it out! I'm leaving the stock Pirelli's on until I can drive and make a fair comparison. Once I get it back and drive it for a bit, then I'll put my Nitto NT05's on.

Also as an added bonus, The Bone bought me lunch and we were able to hang out for awhile on my way back! Thanks again Art!

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/098.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/099.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/100.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/101.jpg

My local ford Tech is going to install it and he's chomping at the bit to start on it in the morning!

[JTB]

Sweet!

[CH53Driver]

Awesome! You'll be very happy with it. I still remember the ride I got in a Griggs car. You can put some lateral Gs on in the turns if you know what you're doing!

[onecrazydog]

:wow2:


Cool!!

[Gr8snkbite]

saweet Robert....look forward to the install pics and techy tread.....but the ride is breathless...

[Joe G]

:wow2:


When you jump in the water, you make a big splash! Should be an awesome ride.

[Shlbylvr]

Very cool!!!

[Quagmire]

Very nice! :wow2:

Can't wait to see the install thread and hear your thoughts on the new suspension.

[68fastback]

Aweseome, Robert! :wow2: nice pieces!! :banana: ...and nice idea benchmarking with the Pirelli's before swapping to the Nittos :chirp:

[Joker]

Thanks everyone!

Took my wife out for dinner tonight and she wanted to take the Shelby. Got on it after being on the freeway for 20 miles and broke it loose at 65mhp! After the sideways action stopped, I explained to my wife that the Griggs setup will help eliminate the sideways action of the car in a straight line on hard acceleration. She's not so mad at me for spending the money now! :lol:

[Joe G]

She's not so mad at me for spending the money now! :lol:

Wise decision giving her a concrete example of what you're doing. Makes begging for the money that much easier. :wtg:

[68fastback]

:logical: ;-)

[Darkside]

Your going to love how your car handles with the Griggs suspension

[Birdman]

Nice Robert, looking forward to your thoughts and evaulation.

[stsltd]

Robert -

Very Nice! You are going to love it....

here Porche, Porche, Porche.... don't you want to come out and play?

[HSURB]

Thanks everyone!

Took my wife out for dinner tonight and she wanted to take the Shelby. Got on it after being on the freeway for 20 miles and broke it loose at 65mhp! After the sideways action stopped, I explained to my wife that the Griggs setup will help eliminate the sideways action of the car in a straight line on hard acceleration. She's not so mad at me for spending the money now! :lol:

Priceless

[Joker]

Thanks guys. I'm going to be dropping it off soon. Looking forward to it.

The tech has no problem with me dropping by to take pictures at various points of the installation so I should have alot of pictures if things work out.

[The Bone]

It eas nice to see you to Robert to bad we live so far apart Yopu have some nice looking parts ther for sure Shelby sure dropped the ball when it came to the suspession on our cars. Sure its fast hut handles like a turd in a snow storm

[Joe G]

The tech has no problem with me dropping by to take pictures at various points of the installation so I should have alot of pictures if things work out.

:pics: :waiting2:

[mustang loco]

Nice Robert, looking forward to your thoughts and evaulation.

+1,very nice set up too btw!!

[Joker]

It eas nice to see you to Robert to bad we live so far apart Yopu have some nice looking parts ther for sure Shelby sure dropped the ball when it came to the suspession on our cars. Sure its fast hut handles like a turd in a snow storm

Art, Your right. Thanks again for lunch! In N' Out is always a good place to grab a bite to eat!

I'm sure in the future we can get together some place in the middle of us for lunch. Would be a good trip about an hour or so each.


:pics: :waiting2:

I'm going to grab some lunch and stop by to see if anything has happened. I'll have pics if there's anything to take pictures of!


+1,very nice set up too btw!!

:tiphat:

[Joe G]

I'm going to grab some lunch and stop by to see if anything has happened. I'll have pics if there's anything to take pictures of!




Great.














:waiting:

[mustang loco]

Great.














:waiting:


:spitcopy:

[Bluoval]

Congrats on the suspension setup!! Maybe after my next deployment.

[Gr8snkbite]

great to hear Robert...look forward tot he review....nice that you and Art were able to hook up....

[Gr8snkbite]

oh..by the way.....











THIS IS A TECH TREAD......:cop2:

[Joker]

Thanks Keith!

I just stopped by the shop and there was a small hang up on getting started this moring. He should be starting on it any minute now so no, I don't have any new pictures right now.

[Joe G]

... so no, I don't have any new pictures right now.

How about now?



:tease2:

[Joker]

How about now?



:tease2:

Just got this picture sent to me from my Tech. He has now started the install! :party:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/Front.jpg

[onecrazydog]

Just got this picture sent to me from my Tech. He has now started the install! :party:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/Front.jpg


Is your car being lifted from the frame rail or the crossmember?


Sweet brakes!!

[Joker]

Is your car being lifted from the frame rail or the crossmember?


Sweet brakes!!

He lifts it from the correct points every time I have seen it on a lift. From that pic though, I can't really tell where he has it lifted from today.

Thanks!

I love the front brakes! I just can't justify spending 4 grand on the rears for marginal improvement in performance.

[Joker]

Just got back from the shop. The front is pretty much done. He's finishing up on replacing the LCA bushings.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/008.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/006.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/002.jpg

[Quagmire]

Lookin' good!

[onecrazydog]

Sweet, keep the pics coming!!

[Joe G]

Sweet, keep the pics coming!!

:iagree:

[Gr8snkbite]

looking good....


you should stay longer and clean the wells.....:sofa:

[Boston Mike]

looking good....


you should stay longer and clean the wells. I plan on cleaning :monkey:'s at Shelbyfest this year....:sofa:

:wow:

[JTB]

Nice, what setting are you going to go with....

[Joker]

Nice, what setting are you going to go with....

Thanks! Not sure I'm understanding your question right though JTB.

I am going to start off with the same ride height in the front as I had with the Eibachs and raising the rear 1/4-1/2" above the front ride height. I think that's a good starting point. Griggs says they like to see a 1 degree rake to the front.

If your talking about the rebound etc. in the Koni's, I'm going to leave them where they are set right now and go from there depending on how it feels.

If that wasn't what you were asking, I'll try again!:doh2:

[The Bone]

You got yellow on you're red car :(

[68fastback]

...are you gonna have some fun or what, Robert?!! ;-) :banana:

[Joker]

You got yellow on you're red car :(

I know! The horror!!!! :surprised:


...are you gonna have some fun or what, Robert?!! ;-) :banana:

I sure hope so Dan!

[Joker]

The front is totally done and he's working on the rear now.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/008-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/003.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/009.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/005.jpg

[Quagmire]

How is the install going Joker?

[onecrazydog]

Rusty butt!!!

[CH53Driver]

Rusty butt!!!

:doh2:

[Joker]

How is the install going Joker?

Just got some new pics of the install. It's going good and I think the welding will be done tomorrow and the majority of the install should also be done. I hope to pick it up by Friday.


Rusty butt!!!

I know. Why didn't you fix that for me????

[CH53Driver]

Just got some new pics of the install. It's going good and I think the welding will be done tomorrow and the majority of the install should also be done. I hope to pick it up by Friday.



I know. Why didn't you fix that for me????

Sweet. Just in time for the weekend.

[Joker]

New install progress picks.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/010.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/011.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/012.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/013.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/014.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/015.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/016.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/017.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/018-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/019.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/020.jpg

[Joe G]

:wow2:

That's impressive!

[CH53Driver]

:wow2:

That's impressive!

Yep! Wait till he gets that thing on the street.:wow2:

[68fastback]

1.05G time! ;-)

[Joker]

1.05G time! ;-)

Oh yea!

This weekend can't come soon enough! As soon as I get some seat time, then I'll switch out tires and get some new grip!

[onecrazydog]

Just got some new pics of the install. It's going good and I think the welding will be done tomorrow and the majority of the install should also be done. I hope to pick it up by Friday.



I know. Why didn't you fix that for me????

I would help you paint it if you lived closer...


Suspension looks sweet!!

[Joker]

I would help you paint it if you lived closer...


Suspension looks sweet!!

Thanks!

What's a couple thousand miles between friends! :tease2:

[Joe G]

Thanks!

What's a couple thousand miles between friends! :tease2:

Drive it up to :canada: and I'm sure OCD will help. Heck, he'd probably even buy the first beer. :beerchug:



:haha:

[The Bone]

That looks way cool Robert
Even with the rusty butt

[Gr8snkbite]

looking great Robert....maybe my next trip out we can tackle the butt.....:tease2:
















wait for it

[Boston Mike]

looking great Robert....maybe my next trip out we can tackle the butt.....:tease2:


that sounds SO gay.

[Boston Mike]

New install progress picks.


http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/012.jpg



Okay, what is that part running from the bottom of the pumpkin forward. That doo-hickey thingamajig? That's about the extent of my technical expertise.

[CH53Driver]

Okay, what is that part running from the bottom of the pumpkin forward. That doo-hickey thingamajig? That's about the extent of my technical expertise.

Torque tube/arm.

[Boston Mike]

Torque tube/arm.

:tiphat:

looks mean.

[CH53Driver]

:tiphat:

looks mean.

Yeah, that's basically the part that keeps the a$$ end planted on the pavement so you don't get wheel hop and all that other nasty stuff.

[Boston Mike]

Yeah, that's basically the part that keeps the a$$ end planted on the pavement so you don't get wheel hop and all that other nasty stuff.

I am in no way able to do a Griggs setup, so can this be done as a standalone mod (I'm assuming the pumpkin would need to be done with it).

[CH53Driver]

I am in no way able to do a Griggs setup, so can this be done as a standalone mod (I'm assuming the pumpkin would need to be done with it).

From my understanding, yes you can buy this as a stand alone piece along with the associated hardware. I believe it's around $900 if you buy that by itself. You will also need a tech who can install and do welding as I believe there is some welding involved with that piece. I'm sure Van could answer that question completely.

[Joker]

Okay, what is that part running from the bottom of the pumpkin forward. That doo-hickey thingamajig? That's about the extent of my technical expertise.

That's the Torque Arm as CH53 said.


I am in no way able to do a Griggs setup, so can this be done as a standalone mod (I'm assuming the pumpkin would need to be done with it).

You can buy everything individually. Here's the link to the TA. http://www.griggsracing.com/index.php?cPath=4332_4309_4320_4328_2040_3675

And yes as CH53 said, there is welding that has to be done. If you looking in the pics from last night, you will see the one where the X pipe is showing and there are two parts that have to be welded where the front of the TA attaches to the frame.

[Tommy Gun]

I am in no way able to do a Griggs setup, so can this be done as a standalone mod (I'm assuming the pumpkin would need to be done with it).


Some Torque Arm info....

What will the Torque-arm do for me?

It will increase straight-line traction.
It will provide more rear grip during cornering.
It will improve corner-exit acceleration.
It will provide superb control and predictability.
It will increase wet weather traction.
It will improve ride quality.

What is a Torque-arm?
It is a long suspension arm that attaches between the rear axle housing and the chassis.

Is a Torque-arm okay for street driving, or is it just for drag racing or road racing?
The Torque-arm is great for all three situations. Increased rear grip helps in every type of driving; would you ever complain about having too much traction?


I put one on my Track Car and it makes a major difference.

.

[Birdman]

How much for just the rear coil-overs?

[Joker]

How much for just the rear coil-overs?

http://www.griggsracing.com/index.php?cPath=4332_4309_4320_4328_2040_3640

$650-1400 dependig on which ones you get. Springs are another $150.

[68fastback]

...I would think the torque arm would require elimination of the UCA since the LCAs now become locator links and the non-parallel design of the S197's UCA would otherwise cause serious binding with a torque arm. I would also think you'd want to set pinion angle pre-load to zero since the torque arm virtually eliminates axle-wrap. It should also maximize life of DS joints since the constant compromise of pinion angle pre-load is then eliminated. The torque arm clearly adds some unsprung weight (vs a UCA) but with all the other Griggs or comparable pieces surely would seem to pay back in terms of excellent axle control and handling. I've never driven a car with a torque-arm but I really like the concept a lot.

---

Conceptually, a control-blade type IRS uses dual outboard short torque-arms -- one for each wheel hub. Since IRS pinion angle is engineered as a function of center section mounting, long heavy arms (necessary to minimize pinion rotation as a function of suspensioon travel on a live axle) are unnecessary and no other control arms are needed since the outboard torque arms serve both fuctions. The control blade IRS design has proven to be extremely robust with substantially less unsprung weight than a live-axle torque-arm configuration. The Aussie Falcon's (Dana-engineered) control-blade IRS (http://www.themustangnews.com/tech_06/st-0706_ozirs.htm)is made from low-cost stamped production pieces and has proven near bullet-proof even at very high SC'd HP levels and over all manner of unpaved back-country Australian roads ...and in competition. If an IRS is ever done for the 2014 Mustang, that's the design I'd really like to see -- best of both worlds it would seem.

[Joker]

...I would think the torque arm would require elimination of the UCA since the LCAs now become locator links and the non-parallel design of the S197's UCA would otherwise cause serious binding with a torque arm. I would also think you'd want to set pinion angle pre-load to zero since the torque arm virtually eliminates axle-wrap. It should also maximize life of DS joints since the constant compromise of pinion angle pre-load is then eliminated. The torque arm clearly adds some unsprung weight (vs a UCA) but with all the other Griggs or comparable pieces surely would seem to pay back in terms of excellent axle control and handling. I've never driven a car with a torque-arm but I really like the concept a lot.




The Torque arm does eliminate the upper control arm. It is already taken off of my car and sitting in a box.

[68fastback]

The Torque arm does eliminate the upper control arm. It is already taken off of my car and sitting in a box.
:tiphat2: thanks...
:banana: logic rules! :biggrin:

[Joe G]

that sounds SO gay.

+ 37...


:hide:

[Joe G]

Some Torque Arm info....

What will the Torque-arm do for me?

It will increase straight-line traction.
It will provide more rear grip during cornering.
It will improve corner-exit acceleration.
It will provide superb control and predictability.
It will increase wet weather traction.
It will improve ride quality.

What is a Torque-arm?
It is a long suspension arm that attaches between the rear axle housing and the chassis.

Is a Torque-arm okay for street driving, or is it just for drag racing or road racing?
The Torque-arm is great for all three situations. Increased rear grip helps in every type of driving; would you ever complain about having too much traction?


I put one on my Track Car and it makes a major difference.

.


Dang! You actually sounded smart there.

:yikes:

[Joe G]

:tiphat2: thanks...
:banana: logic rules! :biggrin:

:wow2:

You must be the brains of this outfit or something. :shades:









:giggle:

[Birdman]

[QUOTE=68fastback;90067
---

Conceptually, a control-blade type IRS uses dual outboard short torque-arms -- one for each wheel hub. Since IRS pinion angle is engineered as a function of center section mounting, long heavy arms (necessary to minimize pinion rotation as a function of suspensioon travel on a live axle) are unnecessary and no other control arms are needed since the outboard torque arms serve both fuctions. The control blade IRS design has proven to be extremely robust with substantially less unsprung weight than a live-axle torque-arm configuration. The Aussie Falcon's (Dana-engineered) control-blade IRS (http://www.themustangnews.com/tech_06/st-0706_ozirs.htm)is made from low-cost stamped production pieces and has proven near bullet-proof even at very high SC'd HP levels and over all manner of unpaved back-country Australian roads ...and in competition. If an IRS is ever done for the 2014 Mustang, that's the design I'd really like to see -- best of both worlds it would seem.[/QUOTE]

This would make the Mustang a world class car IMO. Those Bemer lovers couldn't complain about the Mustang giving a bumpy ride on an uneven road anymore.....babies...LOL

[68fastback]

...for sure!

Even the MGT as-is is a match for the M3. Ford menchmarked against it and accel, handling and actual on-track comparos put tham in a dead heat ...for much less $$$. WIth a CB IRS all bogus 'whining' would be gone -lol

[JTB]

Why do FORD not use these Torque Arms on Factory Hi-Performance Stangs?

I don't even think FRPP offer them...but I'm not sure.

Mass produced these would be inexpensive to manufacture with significant handling benefits benefits, the only downside is it looks like that set up weighs a lot.

[Birdman]

Why do FORD not use these Torque Arms on Factory Hi-Performance Stangs?

I don't even think FRPP offer them...but I'm not sure.

Mass produced these would be inexpensive to manufacture with significant handling benefits benefits, the only downside is it looks like that set up weighs a lot.

I was told by a Ford engineer that they do not reccomend a torque arm on the s197 chassis because the center floor board mounting point area is not built strong enough to support the stresses that will be transfered there with a torque arm.

.....just relaying what I was told three years ago when I asked about it.

[Joe G]

I was told by a Ford engineer that they do not reccomend a torque arm on the s197 chassis because the center floor board mounting point area is not built strong enough to support the stresses that will be transfered there with a torque arm.

.....just relaying what I was told three years ago when I asked about it.

I remember that conversation with that person. We were in the hotel hospitality room in Dearborn.

It's also why he didn't recommend changing the UCA mounting bracket as the OEM one is meant to be the weak spot vs. ripping the floor board out.

[Birdman]

I remember that conversation with that person. We were in the hotel hospitality room in Dearborn.

It's also why he didn't recommend changing the UCA mounting bracket as the OEM one is meant to be the weak spot vs. ripping the floor board out.

Yep...:yes:

[CH53Driver]

I was told by a Ford engineer that they do not reccomend a torque arm on the s197 chassis because the center floor board mounting point area is not built strong enough to support the stresses that will be transfered there with a torque arm.

.....just relaying what I was told three years ago when I asked about it.


I remember that conversation with that person. We were in the hotel hospitality room in Dearborn.

It's also why he didn't recommend changing the UCA mounting bracket as the OEM one is meant to be the weak spot vs. ripping the floor board out.

That's interesting. Obviously I wasn't there for that and this is the first I've ever heard of that issue. Kind of wonder what the guys at Griggs would say about this (not that I personally would challenge an engineer from Ford on this issue).

[Joker]

That's interesting. Obviously I wasn't there for that and this is the first I've ever heard of that issue. Kind of wonder what the guys at Griggs would say about this (not that I personally would challenge an engineer from Ford on this issue).

I suppose anything is possible, but I have yet to hear about any sorts of issues with the Griggs TA doing that.

[CH53Driver]

I suppose anything is possible, but I have yet to hear about any sorts of issues with the Griggs TA doing that.

Plus, I thought the Griggs torque arm mounts to the frame and read axle housing and not the floor board? You probably know better than me since you're having the install done right now.

[Joker]

Plus, I thought the Griggs torque arm mounts to the frame and read axle housing and not the floor board? You probably know better than me since you're having the install done right now.

This is where it is welded too.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/018-2.jpg

[Tommy Gun]

Dang! You actually sounded smart there.

:yikes:



:tiphat2:

.

[Tommy Gun]

This is where it is welded too.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/018-2.jpg



On my 2002 I welded in full length subframe connectors, then welded to it a supplied cross member that the torque arm connects too.

So the stress is transferred through all that.

I'm sure similar reinforcement can be done w/ a GT500.

[CH53Driver]

This is where it is welded too.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/018-2.jpg

Thanks. Never actually seen one welded in before.:tiphat2:

[Tommy Gun]

Hope he moves those fuel lines. :look:

.

[Joker]

On my 2002 I welded in full length subframe connectors, then welded to it a supplied cross member that the torque arm connects too.

So the stress is transferred through all that.

I'm sure similar reinforcement can be done w/ a GT500.

Well the s197 chassis is alot more ridged then the s95 so there's a big difference. Also, from what I have read, they are saying that subframe connectors etc are a waste of money for these chassis.

[JTB]

Well the s197 chassis is alot more ridged then the s95 so there's a big difference. Also, from what I have read, they are saying that subframe connectors etc are a waste of money for these chassis.

Didn't BadBoy install the sub-frame connectors in his KOS entry car?

[68fastback]

...maybe subframe connectors are less important with the torque-arm since it takes a lot of the thrust too (not withstanding George's comments) but I think they are important (welded-in) for serious drag set-ups with big stickys. The tortional rigidity of the S197 is excellent.

The "instant-center" is adjustable with control arms (the projected location where UCA and LCA angles cross) but is fixed with a torque-arm (the mounting point), tho I'd bet the Griggs set-up places it pretty darn close to the mass center for most set-ups. Still, I'd bet the center-of-mass varies somewhat from a stripped 3050# racer to a 3900# streeter, so it's a chassis-tuning consideration that is no longer available, however that may be outweighed by how effectively torque is transmitted and the fact that "instant-center" tuning is less important on a road-racer whereas it's critical on a drag car -- hence finely adjustable 4-link setups etc on the latter.

[Joker]

Didn't BadBoy install the sub-frame connectors in his KOS entry car?

Not sure. But Badboy 1/4 miles his car. Griggs is more for road course and less for the 1/4. At least that's from what I have seen. Most people that use Griggs stuff, actually turn their car when going fast! :haha: (just kidding all you 1/4 milers!)

Not saying if it would help or not, but from what alot of people smarter then me have said, it's not needed on the s197 chassis.


...maybe subframe connectors are less important with the torque-arm since it takes a lot of the thrust too (not withstanding George's comments) but I think they are important (welded-in) for serious drag set-ups with big stickys. The tortional rigidity of the S197 is excellent.

The "instant-center" is adjustable with control arms (the projected location where UCA and LCA angles cross) but is fixed with a torque-arm (the mounting point), tho I'd bet the Griggs set-up places it pretty darn close to the mass center for most set-ups. Still, I'd bet the center-of-mass varies somewhat from a stripped 3050# racer to a 3900# streeter, so it's a chassis-tuning consideration that is no longer available, however that may be outweighed by how effectively torque is transmitted and the fact that "instant-center" tuning is less important on a road-racer whereas it's critical on a drag car -- hence finely adjustable 4-link setups etc on the latter.

I kind of touched on this above.

[68fastback]

I kind of touched on this above.

yep... :tiphat2:

[Joker]

Well my car will not be done until next week! :banghead:

Sucks as I wanted to get some miles on it and try it out this weekend as we are supposed to have nice weather.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Well my car will not be done until next week! :banghead:

Sucks as I wanted to get some miles on it and try it out this weekend as we are supposed to have nice weather.
I thought that the cold season was upon you. Isn't it supposed to dip into the high 50s or low 60s near you?


`

[Joker]

I thought that the cold season was upon you. Isn't it supposed to dip into the high 50s or low 60s near you?


`

It was 65 today. Supposed to be like this all weekend. It wil probably rain as soon as I get it back.

[Johnny Dangerously]

It was 65 today. Supposed to be like this all weekend. It wil probably rain as soon as I get it back.
We had flurries here today.


`

[Joker]

We had flurries here today.


`

Guess I can't really complain then!

[68fastback]

..we haven't gotten above 19 for the past 3 days ..it was 7 last night :brrrr: -lol

[Quagmire]

It's been in the high teens and low 20s every morning this week. Florida. Must be really cold up north.

The engine loves the cold air. The tires, well ...not so much. I've been especially careful in the mornings driving to work.

To get back on topic, thanks to this thread I've been wanting to run out and buy a torque arm all week. ...but then I'd need a watts link, and springs/struts, and LCAs w/relocation brackets, etc...

Joker is a bad man for starting this thread. :redcard3:



:tease2:

[Boston Mike]

..we haven't gotten above 19 for the past 3 days ..it was 7 last night :brrrr: -lol

Today's high temp in Dallas: 60
Today's low temp in Dallas: 27

I feel a cold coming on.

[Joker]

It's been in the high teens and low 20s every morning this week. Florida. Must be really cold up north.

The engine loves the cold air. The tires, well ...not so much. I've been especially careful in the mornings driving to work.

To get back on topic, thanks to this thread I've been wanting to run out and buy a torque arm all week. ...but then I'd need a watts link, and springs/struts, and LCAs w/relocation brackets, etc...

Joker is a bad man for starting this thread. :redcard3:



:tease2:

I do what I can!

Just wait for me to get some miles on it and post my impressions. If it's anywhere as good as it's supposed to be, it will make it alot harder for you to not get it! :tease2:

[Quagmire]

I'm really looking forward to your impressions once you have a chance to drive it for a bit.

I don't think a full Griggs setup is in the cards for me, but I really do want that control arm.

[JTB]

It's been in the high teens and low 20s every morning this week. Florida. Must be really cold up north.

The engine loves the cold air. The tires, well ...not so much. I've been especially careful in the mornings driving to work.

To get back on topic, thanks to this thread I've been wanting to run out and buy a torque arm all week. ...but then I'd need a watts link, and springs/struts, and LCAs w/relocation brackets, etc...

Joker is a bad man for starting this thread. :redcard3:



:tease2:

:wow2:

35 in TORONTO today.

We had neighbours just get back from Florida they were bitching about the weather.

[Darkside]

If it's anywhere as good as it's supposed to be, it will make it alot harder for you to not get it! :tease2:

Its reeeeeaaaallly good, trust me. I went with the TT setup, front and back.

The look some high end sportscar drivers have when they can't loose what they think is "Just another Mustang" in the twisties is priceless.

[Joker]

Its reeeeeaaaallly good, trust me. I went with the TT setup, front and back.

The look some high end sportscar drivers have when they can't loose what they think is "Just another Mustang" in the twisties is priceless.

Nice.

I just went with the SS front and basically the ST rear with watts. I couldn't afford the front SLA set-up. :spend:

[Joker]

Well I hope to pick it up today! I just came back from the shop and he was getting ready to put it on the alignment rack.

Here's the latest pics.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/013-2.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/012-2.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/011-2.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/010-2.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/009-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/008-3.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/007-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/005-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/004-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/003-2.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/002-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x162/BMF_Joker/suspension/001.jpg

[68fastback]

...that is one awesome and bullet-proof Watts!! Love the design-engineering of the Griggs Watts.

[Birdman]

Looks great Robert! :wtg:....now get those welds zinc primed and painted then report back..:grin:

[Joker]

Looks great Robert! :wtg:....now get those welds zinc primed and painted then report back..:grin:

I talked to them about it today. They are going to try and get that fdone before I pick it up!

[CH53Driver]

That looks great! I'm sure you are going to have so much fun with that car now. Oh Porsche, wanna come out and play?

[Gr8snkbite]

Looks great Robert! :wtg:....now get those welds zinc primed and painted then report back..:grin:

+1

looks great....and dont forget the axle either....

[The Bone]

Blue Yellow You may need a smaller pulley to to make up for putting all those slow colors on you're car.
It does look nice though Better hurry up and test it looks like rain on the weekend maybe snow where you live.

[CH53Driver]

Blue Yellow You may need a smaller pulley to to make up for putting all those slow colors on you're car.
It does look nice though Better hurry up and test it looks like rain on the weekend maybe snow where you live.

Wait, isn't that a fast blue Mustang I see in your avatar?:doh2:

[JTB]

How much does all that weigh?

And how loud, with all those heim joints?

The reason I ask is I know you go on LONG trips in your car...

[Quagmire]

Looks really nice. I bet it's going to hold the road like it's glued to it.

[Joker]

I got her back tonight!

All I have time to post right now is :wow2:

I'll try and post more later. I was only able to put about 10 miles on tonight.

[Tommy Gun]

:wtg:

[68fastback]

:banana: :chirp:

[Joker]

Well here is a quick write-up on my experience so far.

I have put about 15 miles on it. When I took it for a test drive, I immediately noticed that the steering felt firmer. I'm guessing that is because of the new bushings being used in the front end.

On the freeway the car seems very planted. It didn't feel bad before by any means. Now if just feels solid. Very solid. Rolling parts of the freeway that would upset the car now does not bother it at all.

The front end feels like it give more feedback now. You feel small stuff in the road that you wouldn't have felt before in the wheel.

As for forward grip, WAY more then before. Now at 45-50 is just seems to drive forward. Little if any wheel spin. Before I would break it loose at 65 no problem. Mind you I haven't beat on it yet and this was more of a shake down drive.

In first and second when you break the rear end loose, it still drives forward and doesn't seem to want to swap to one side like it did before. It feels much more stable and controllable.

I was able to take some good corners that I have taken many times before tonight. First impressions are that body roll is greatly reduced. Car seems to be almost flat in the corners and has very good feel.

As for road noise etc. I haven't noticed a big increase in mechanical noise. I have very little increase in any noise. I can hear the suspension working more then the Eibach setup, but it is in no way a huge increase in noise. Sounds about the same to me on the freeway and around town it is a very small increase.

Now here is the really cool part in my book, my wife loves the feel of the Griggs suspension! She said that in the passenger seat it felt much more stable. She said that before the car would scare her sometimes under full throttle due to the rear end stepping out so violently. Tonight there was none of that. If the rear did break loose, it spun and drove forward, not sideways.

That's all I have for now. Hopefully I'll be able to put some more miles on it soon, but they are saying that we are going to have some serious rain coming starting Friday for the next 5 days.

[Joe G]

Now here is the really cool part in my book, my wife loves the feel of the Griggs suspension! She said that in the passenger seat it felt much more stable. She said that before the car would scare her sometimes under full throttle due to the rear end stepping out so violently. Tonight there was none of that. If the rear did break loose, it spun and drove forward, not sideways.



The only thing that's important is this quote above - all the rest is :blahblah:...







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:rollingpin:

[Tommy Gun]

As for road noise etc. I haven't noticed a big increase in mechanical noise. I have very little increase in any noise. I can hear the suspension working more then the Eibach setup, but it is in no way a huge increase in noise. Sounds about the same to me on the freeway and around town it is a very small increase.




Like you can hear anything over the Proton Accelerator that juices up your stereo system ? :groan:

.

[Birdman]

I got her back tonight!

All I have time to post right now is :wow2:

I'll try and post more later. I was only able to put about 10 miles on tonight.

:waiting:

[Birdman]

Well here is a quick write-up on my experience so far.

I have put about 15 miles on it. When I took it for a test drive, I immediately noticed that the steering felt firmer. I'm guessing that is because of the new bushings being used in the front end.

On the freeway the car seems very planted. It didn't feel bad before by any means. Now if just feels solid. Very solid. Rolling parts of the freeway that would upset the car now does not bother it at all.

The front end feels like it give more feedback now. You feel small stuff in the road that you wouldn't have felt before in the wheel.

As for forward grip, WAY more then before. Now at 45-50 is just seems to drive forward. Little if any wheel spin. Before I would break it loose at 65 no problem. Mind you I haven't beat on it yet and this was more of a shake down drive.

In first and second when you break the rear end loose, it still drives forward and doesn't seem to want to swap to one side like it did before. It feels much more stable and controllable.

I was able to take some good corners that I have taken many times before tonight. First impressions are that body roll is greatly reduced. Car seems to be almost flat in the corners and has very good feel.

As for road noise etc. I haven't noticed a big increase in mechanical noise. I have very little increase in any noise. I can hear the suspension working more then the Eibach setup, but it is in no way a huge increase in noise. Sounds about the same to me on the freeway and around town it is a very small increase.

Now here is the really cool part in my book, my wife loves the feel of the Griggs suspension! She said that in the passenger seat it felt much more stable. She said that before the car would scare her sometimes under full throttle due to the rear end stepping out so violently. Tonight there was none of that. If the rear did break loose, it spun and drove forward, not sideways.

That's all I have for now. Hopefully I'll be able to put some more miles on it soon, but they are saying that we are going to have some serious rain coming starting Friday for the next 5 days.


Good news Robert just don't get on it too much with the wife in the car .....she may change her opinions....lol

[Gr8snkbite]

saweet...Robert.....now let wifey drive it.....:tease2:

[Quagmire]

Very cool!

[68fastback]

...sounds fairly awesome!!! :chirp:

[Darkside]

Drop the wife off at the house and go for a drive in the twisties.

[dwattsup]

Congrats on the new suspension, enjoy! It's really nice when you jump on it and the wheels spin but the car stays straight.