Watts Link and ...

[Cobra Drifter]

Will the BMR panhard rod upper support bar be compatible with the watts link? Will they both fit and is there any benefit from using the support bar with the watts link?

Thanks

[Joker]

I think it depends on what watts link your going to use. I know that one of the suppot bars for mine had to be welded in.

[Gr8snkbite]

if using the Fays 2.....nope...but then its not needed either...

[JTB]

Most Watts links completely eliminate the PANHARD Bar.

[Cobra Drifter]

This is for the ph support bar, not the ph bar itself.

I want to upgrade to the fays2 so need to know if this will fit or if I should sell it

[Joe G]

Call Jim Fay to make sure. He'll know.





Assume you're getting this through BVMP? :waiting2:

[Cobra Drifter]

Call Jim Fay to make sure. He'll know.





Assume you're getting this through BVMP? :waiting2:

I'll try to call tomorrow but I will need to find his number first.

Oh and "Wait for it!!!!" :tease2:


:haha:

[Joe G]

Jim Fay 920.279.0875

[Cobra Drifter]

Thanks! :)

[onecrazydog]

This is for the ph support bar, not the ph bar itself.

I want to upgrade to the fays2 so need to know if this will fit or if I should sell it

Sell it... Fays2 replaces it and the ph bar...

[Gr8snkbite]

Sell it... Fays2 replaces it and the ph bar...

correct....


Fays2 link will be the ONLY thing back there...it mounts in the same cradle areas as the PH...

[Cobra Drifter]

So there is no way to use the ph support bar with the watts or its just redundant but it will fit?

[Birdman]

So there is no way to use the ph support bar with the watts or its just redundant but it will fit?

Wait for it.....














































refer to post #11 :doh2:

[dwattsup]

So there is no way to use the ph support bar with the watts or its just redundant but it will fit?

They are mutually exclusive. Why you going with a Watts link? You're not going to have much flex back there at all. You'll be on 3 wheels turning into driveways.

[Cobra Drifter]

Really? Well I have to go into driveways at violent angles for a while still until I get my tax return and an air bags.
With bags will it help prevent the 3 wheel motion upon entering driveways? It may nnot matter as I will lift it up high and go in straight too :)

[68fastback]

I don't see how a Watts would affect wheel loading on entering a driveway vs a Panhard ...anti-roll bars and spring rates would affect that but not a Watts/Panhard, imo.

[onecrazydog]

I don't see how a Watts would affect wheel loading on entering a driveway vs a Panhard ...anti-roll bars and spring rates would affect that but not a Watts/Panhard, imo.

+1

[Birdman]

A Watts link helps to keep the rear centered yet allowing full articulation of each wheel/axle independently while
navigating uneven surfaces.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/watts-link-animation_208544.htm#




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blDJ-bu3NLo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43_mH1euXrk&feature=related

Here's a good animation that shows just how a Watts link keeps the axle centered yet allows up and down wheel movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cJCqWkfgk&feature=related

[68fastback]

I think that one (of the mini ATV) showed a Panhard, George ...maybe wrong link?

[JTB]

:wow2: That Griggs looks like a real nice piece!

[dwattsup]

I don't see how a Watts would affect wheel loading on entering a driveway vs a Panhard ...anti-roll bars and spring rates would affect that but not a Watts/Panhard, imo.

A friend of mine has one on her SS and that's exactly what it does. There doesn't seem to be any articulation of the axle. Maybe it's not installed right.

[dwattsup]

This is what a Watts Link is supposed to do vs. a Panhard bar:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EbcLa72SfxU/Sje3EtVYWLI/AAAAAAAAAaE/Lxie1WWXd4A/s1600/_PanhardWattsWeb.jpg

[68fastback]

...maybe she had some other suspension mods done at the same time that lowered the car or increased the roll-pbar rates or limited suspension travel somehow (???) since the Watts itself doesnt affect axle articulation ...the axle is free to rotate parallel to the centerline of the car as much as the suspension will allow. Not doubting she has the problem, just can't see how the watts can cause it. :shrug:

[dwattsup]

If you look at the diagram and how the Watts Link works, imagine what happens when the tires are on uneven surfaces if the movement is only vertical. Running that suspension on the track is going to be much different than driving around on the street is all I'm saying.

[68fastback]

...the watts just locates the axle laterally at the central pivot (whether on the diff or on a separate axle-mount depending on Watts design) ...it's free to move up and down and to rotate longitudinally (to the extent the LCAs permit) around the central pivot. If one rear wheel is jacked up, the body (relative to the frame) is not dislocated laterally like with a panhard, which also produces different results depending on which wheel is raised (panhard 'jacking' effect in turns). Whether one wheel is raised and one is lowered, or both are raised, or both are lowered, a Watts keeps the axle centered under the body, so I'm not understanding, I guess ...but that's ok

[Birdman]

If you look at the diagram and how the Watts Link works, imagine what happens when the tires are on uneven surfaces if the movement is only vertical. Running that suspension on the track is going to be much different than driving around on the street is all I'm saying.

Here you can see how a watts link allows for full independent wheel movement however if the rear sway bar is too stiff or the spring rates are too stiff or if the LCA's and UCA joint is too restrictive it will have the affect of limiting movement of each wheel. The watts link will not limit up an down travel only lateral movement of the axle. Perhaps your friend's suspension is a bit too tight in some of those areas.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cJCqWkfgk&feature=related

[Birdman]

I don't see how a Watts would affect wheel loading on entering a driveway vs a Panhard ...anti-roll bars and spring rates would affect that but not a Watts/Panhard, imo.

thanks Dan....corrected. :grin:

[Cobra Drifter]

Here you can see how a watts link allows for full independent wheel movement however if the rear sway bar is too stiff or the spring rates are too stiff or if the LCA's and UCA joint is too restrictive it will have the affect of limiting movement of each wheel. The watts link will not limit up an down travel only lateral movement of the axle. Perhaps your friend's suspension is a bit too tight in some of those areas.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cJCqWkfgk&feature=related

Cool thanks for the videos guys! This one shows a panhard bar and how its center moves to the left. then in the second part of the vide is the watts link and it moves compoletely veritcle.

Im going with the watts link fo shure now! :thumb:

[Joe G]

Im going with the watts link fo shure now! :thumb:

:waiting:

[Gr8snkbite]

Cool thanks for the videos guys! This one shows a panhard bar and how its center moves to the left. then in the second part of the vide is the watts link and it moves compoletely veritcle.

Im going with the watts link fo shure now! :thumb:

Better get it from Joe or he's gonna :ban: you.........:haha:

[Joe G]

Better get it from Joe or he's gonna :ban: you.........:haha:

:goodpost:



:giggle:

[68fastback]

Here you can see how a watts link allows for full independent wheel movement however if the rear sway bar is too stiff or the spring rates are too stiff or if the LCA's and UCA joint is too restrictive it will have the affect of limiting movement of each wheel. The watts link will not limit up an down travel only lateral movement of the axle. Perhaps your friend's suspension is a bit too tight in some of those areas.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cJCqWkfgk&feature=related

:tiphat2: ...funky graphics, but tha'ts an *excellent* Watts demo, George.

[Birdman]

:tiphat2: ...funky graphics, but tha'ts an *excellent* Watts demo, George.

:uwelcome:

[68fastback]

:biggrin: