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Well it looks like after my engine transplant the SCT is no longer functioning.
I had the same result with my Ford Racing Tuner device.
Is their a way to repair this SCT Tuner?
68fastback
02-03-2011, 04:38 AM
Sounds like no one swapped the aftermarket tune for the stock tune when it was brought to the dealer -- they'd need your tuner to do that. If that wasn't done and the dealer re-popped the stock tune for the new engine (which I'd expect Ford procedures call for), now it won't match since the stock tune in on the tuner now and it's expecting to see the aftermarket tune in the car ...which is no longer there. At least that's what I suspect happened.
There's probably nothing wrong with the tuners themselves. I suspect DeSilva can wipe the SCT and reload his custom tune for you -- if he saved it for you. If it was on your PCM when the work was done and the dealer re-popped the stock tune, then it was stepped-over. Did you give the dealer the your tuner and tell them what was loaded on the car so they could swap it back to stock before re-popping it (assuming they did)?
badboy500
02-03-2011, 11:49 AM
Sounds like no one swapped the aftermarket tune for the stock tune when it was brought to the dealer -- they'd need your tuner to do that. If that wasn't done and the dealer re-popped the stock tune for the new engine (which I'd expect Ford procedures call for), now it won't match since the stock tune in on the tuner now and it's expecting to see the aftermarket tune in the car ...which is no longer there. At least that's what I suspect happened.
There's probably nothing wrong with the tuners themselves. I suspect DeSilva can wipe the SCT and reload his custom tune for you -- if he saved it for you. If it was on your PCM when the work was done and the dealer re-popped the stock tune, then it was stepped-over. Did you give the dealer the your tuner and tell them what was loaded on the car so they could swap it back to stock before re-popping it (assuming they did)?
:goodpost::iagree:
Sounds like no one swapped the aftermarket tune for the stock tune when it was brought to the dealer -- they'd need your tuner to do that. If that wasn't done and the dealer re-popped the stock tune for the new engine (which I'd expect Ford procedures call for), now it won't match since the stock tune in on the tuner now and it's expecting to see the aftermarket tune in the car ...which is no longer there. At least that's what I suspect happened.
There's probably nothing wrong with the tuners themselves. I suspect DeSilva can wipe the SCT and reload his custom tune for you -- if he saved it for you. If it was on your PCM when the work was done and the dealer re-popped the stock tune, then it was stepped-over. Did you give the dealer the your tuner and tell them what was loaded on the car so they could swap it back to stock before re-popping it (assuming they did)?
Dearly had the tuner with the car when the repar commenced, they told me they did not need as they where not doing anything to the turn.
They said; "We'll keep everything the same". Headers were put back on the new engine before install as was the CAI and FR TB...
P.S.
The Ford Racing Tuner Tool is being rejected by the car as well.
Joe G
02-03-2011, 02:08 PM
Dearly had the tuner with the car when the repar commenced, they told me they did not need as they where not doing anything to the turn.
They said; "We'll keep everything the same". Headers were put back on the new engine before install as was the CAI and FR TB...
P.S.
The Ford Racing Tuner Tool is being rejected by the car as well.
But did they change the computer when swapping the engine or did they use the old computer?
If it's a new computer, it won't recognize the SCT or ProCal as they were married to the old computer.
Gr8snkbite
02-03-2011, 08:47 PM
But did they change the computer when swapping the engine or did they use the old computer?
If it's a new computer, it won't recognize the SCT or ProCal as they were married to the old computer.
yep...if its a new one....if its the stock computer..did it get reflashed? should have since the battery was disconnected for such a long time..
68fastback
02-04-2011, 03:49 AM
JT, do you have a pic of the tag that was on your new engine when it arrived at the dealer?
If the part number is different than one of the following, there's a new calibration that they would have loaded -- different than what the car shipped with:
8U7A-GDA
8U7A-GEA
FRPP-MOD
You can check at Motorcraft here (http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/PCMflash/default.asp?pageid=calibration_pub&gutsid=calibration_menu)too...
A different part number might explain why the tuners no longer recognize the car -- dunno.
VaporDude
02-04-2011, 03:34 PM
I am suspecting a new computer was installed.
Thanks for all the insight here guys. :tiphat2:
I talked to Ford Racing today in regards to my ProCal Tool and they think that the dealer reflached the computer as part of the engine swap procedure they are investigating and will call me back on Monday, but if this is the case and a stock tune was reinstalled, woould I not be throwing codes?
The Car has FRPP Shorty Headers, High-Flow cats, Corsa Sport Exhaust, FRPP TB and CAI installed, as the dealer installed all my mods back on the new engine.
VaporDude
02-04-2011, 03:46 PM
Thanks for all the insight here guys. :tiphat2:
I talked to Ford Racing today in regards to my ProCal Tool and they think that the dealer reflached the computer as part of the engine swap procedure they are investigating and will call me back on Monday, but if this is the case and a stock tune was reinstalled, woould I not be throwing codes?
The Car has FRPP Shorty Headers, High-Flow cats, Corsa Sport Exhaust, FRPP TB and CAI installed, as the dealer installed all my mods back on the new engine.
I would check for codes being thrown with your SCT. You can do that even though the tuner is no longer married to the car. A tune is required for the CAI so I am not sure how they would get around that on a stock tune.
I would check for codes being thrown with your SCT. You can do that even though the tuner is no longer married to the car. A tune is required for the CAI so I am not sure how they would get around that on a stock tune.
VD, I think that the Ford Dealer re-flashed the original PCM after the installed the new engine, evidently this is on the 'to do' list from Ford for the engine swap procedure.
The reason I think I have not thrown any codes running all this shat with a stock tune is I babied the car home, this is a new engine and I did not stamp on it at all, did not even have it over 3000rpm all the way home, maybe that is why I have not thrown any codes with the stock tune because I have been under the parameters for a code warning. What do you think?
hellfyr
02-04-2011, 04:54 PM
Or... the old PCM was sent in for the warranty claim to have the "tune" examined to make sure it wasn't "at fault".
Not to create a panic, but if I was trying to avoid honoring the replacement... I'd for sure ask for the PCM as an engineer.
Or... the old PCM was sent in for the warranty claim to have the "tune" examined to make sure it wasn't "at fault".
Not to create a panic, but if I was trying to avoid honoring the replacement... I'd for sure ask for the PCM as an engineer.
Yeah, I hear ya, but that could have been checked remotely my Ford and when I took the car in for the second TSB, the Ford Racing Tune was in the car.
The PCM, according to the dealer, they confirmed today, that the PCM is original and was not replaced.
I should know more on Monday after Ford Racing get back to me...
68fastback
02-04-2011, 06:52 PM
VD, I think that the Ford Dealer re-flashed the original PCM after the installed the new engine, evidently this is on the 'to do' list from Ford for the engine swap procedure.
The reason I think I have not thrown any codes running all this shat with a stock tune is I babied the car home, this is a new engine and I did not stamp on it at all, did not even have it over 3000rpm all the way home, maybe that is why I have not thrown any codes with the stock tune because I have been under the parameters for a code warning. What do you think?
I think you're right, JT. You would not be bumping any table limits with your set-up ...all those mods are well within the range of the stock tune so long as not at WOT, I think. The shorty's don't disable any O2, the MAF has plenty of capacity, the TB requires no tune. As long as you don't bump the torque tables I think you'd be fine. If you went WOT (open loop) then the 'canned' WOT tables might produce a condition that might be out-of-range in some way.
Birdy might have more specific insight, but I think in closed-loop operation (non-WOT cruise) you'd be running off the O2s and all would be ok.
VaporDude
02-04-2011, 07:59 PM
Here is what the SCT site says about error 1027:
1027: Incorrect Vehicle
The vehicle you are attempting to tune is not the vehicle that the Device is locked to.
Solution:
Return the original vehicle to stock to unlock the Device and this will allow it to program another vehicle.
If the original vehicle is not available, you will need to contact SCT to get an RMA and pay a fee to unlock the tuner.
This is telling me the ECU was changed out.
Here is what the SCT site says about error 1027:
This is telling me the ECU was changed out.
According to SCT (I called today) the ECU just needs to be flashed by the Dealer, to brick the handheld tuning device.
They said this is happening more and more as even guys dropping off cars for oil changes, when the tech runs the VIN and the service computer indicates there is an ECU, upgrade dealers are going ahead and flashing the car thinking they are helping the customer.
My car is STOCK now and will not recognize the tuner. They (SCT) said what you posted, in that I would have to send the Tuner back to them and pay the fee, which I probably won't do, I will just sell it as I am just going to stick with my pedestrian Ford Racing Tune (when they send me a new ProCal Tool), until I start my major engine mods this spring and I will not require an SCT as I will not be going that route with the new tune for the new blower.
That said, new oil on the ground in my garage (see the MY GT500 Engine has Failed Thread), so that needs to get sorted out first.
68fastback
02-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Here is what the SCT site says about error 1027:
This is telling me the ECU was changed out.
Not necessarily ...they can just reflash it with a new set of codes ...that's why I was wondering if the part-num on the tag did or didn't match those other numbers. Even if it matched, they may reflash it to a number that reflects a different engine code. The VIN didn't change but there's possibly a lot more identifying info that get's flashed.
I am just going to stick with my pedestrian Ford Racing Tune (when they send me a new ProCal Tool)
Are they sending you just the software with no ProCal tuner? Also, are they not charging you because you already paid for the tune?
Tob
Are they sending you just the software with no ProCal tuner? Also, are they not charging you because you already paid for the tune?
Tob
Tob I have the ancient Pro Cal Tool, FR will have to send me a new one with the tune.
I will not know until Monday if they will try to charge me...
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The Bone
02-05-2011, 09:46 PM
I say tow it to the dealer as soon as you can to find the oil leak the longer you wait the more the dealer won't fix it. No way is that coming from the cross member. Did they not pull the motor to remove the pan? The other way is to support the motor with a tool like TG used on his car then drop the K member for easy access. The tuner thing sucks JT you may as well put the stock filter and box on it until you get this sorted out.
Spoke to Ray @ Ford Racing today and he is convinced the FR Tune is still in the car, as he said I would throw a code as soon as the ignition was turned on due to the larger MAF.
To verify, he has instructed, when the car is back at the dealer to get the dealer to pull the Module ID from the PCM.
This whole process is getting on my nerves, I also have a call scheduled with the FORD CDN Head Office this Thursday. :mafiasmilie:
Spoke to SCT today and told them of the INCORRECT VEHICLE Alert on the handheld and was told they could reset the device for $150 fee but it would need to be shipped to them at their head office to do so.
When I told them of the circumstances and my engine failure they said they would waive the fee. I did have to email proof of the engine failure and after they provided me with and RMA# and siad they would get it back to me as soon as they can.
Solid customer service at SCT! :wtg:
Boston Mike
02-07-2011, 05:59 PM
Maybe SCT will buy you a new car?
:sofa:
68fastback
02-07-2011, 06:32 PM
Spoke to Ray @ Ford Racing today and he is convinced the FR Tune is still in the car, as he said I would throw a code as soon as the ignition was turned on due to the larger MAF.
To verify, he has instructed, when the car is back at the dealer to get the dealer to pull the Module ID from the PCM.
This whole process is getting on my nerves, I also have a call scheduled with the FORD CDN Head Office this Thursday. :mafiasmilie:
Good point on the MAF ...the stock transfer curve calibration with the stock sensor but in the larger FRPP MAF tube would make te mix terribly lean at WOT, so maybe it is the FRPP tune.
You'll get to the bottom of it -- when you mod your car you necessarily take on a new level of vigilance and responsibility, like it or not. Would have been nice for the dealer to tell you without having to ask (did you ask dealer? what did they say?) since the car had mods and they knew that.
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Once SCT resets the tuner and assuming you can get your cutom tune e-mailed/loaded on the SCT, you now have the situation where you can't return the car to stock if the stock tune isn't on the car now. The FRPP tune will be what's swapped into the SCT tuner when you eventually upload the custom tune (if you do that). If that matters to you (i.e. if you want to be able to ever go back to stock) you will need to go to the dealer and have them reload the stock tune. Don't even start the car. Then use the SCT tuner to go directly to the cutom tune (if that's the one you want on it) or the FRPP procal to go to that tune (if that's the one you want on it) if FRPP will relaod the procal for you. If you do the FRPP tune, you can still swap in the custom tune with the SCT tuner, but you will have preserved the ability to go back to stock (if that's important to you) which you can't do now (without starting from scratch with the stock tune loaded by the dealer). Even if you do the 2.9 (if that's what you're plan is) being able to go back to stock may be a consideration (that's your call), which is why I'm mentioning it now while you can likely get the dealer to load the stock tune for free. Just wait until you get your tuners (SCT and procal) worked out since those have to be ready if you have the dealer load the stock tune for you.
If it doesn't matter (i.e. you don't want the ability to go back to stock) and the FRPP tune was actually loaded by the dealer, then nothing more is *necessary* prior to the 2.9 ...and you can swap-in your custom tune form the SCT in ther interim too, but neither of your tuners will then contain your stock tune.
VaporDude
02-07-2011, 06:57 PM
Like Dan said, neither tuner will contain the stock tune. Before you do anything with the tuners, make sure yuo have the right tunes on the tuner then have the dealer re-flash the ECU back to stock first. That way, if you ever decide to return the car back to stock, you can.
Ford Racing got back to me today and said they need the PCM's Module ID. :doh2:
Then they said they will fax me a Replacement Pro-Cal Tune Form that I must fill out and send back with the Pro-Cal Tool to FR in Michigan, upon they receipt they will load a new FR Tune, bill my CC $150 :redcard: and send it back to me.
There doesn't seem to be any love loss between the Ford Dealers and Ford Racing their relationship seems frosty at best. :shades:
Alloy Dave
02-11-2011, 04:34 AM
Ford Racing got back to me today and said they need the PCM's Module ID. :doh2:
Then they said they will fax me a Replacement Pro-Cal Tune Form that I must fill out and send back with the Pro-Cal Tool to FR in Michigan, upon they receipt they will load a new FR Tune, bill my CC $150 :redcard: and send it back to me.
There doesn't seem to be any love loss between the Ford Dealers and Ford Racing they relationship seems frosty at best. :shades:
Don't even get me started on the differential gear issue.
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