2011 Raptor driveline Clunk

[Grabber]

No TSB as of yet !

2853 - 2011 RAPTOR DRIVELINE CLUNK/SLIP/BUMP/CHIRP
SOME 2011 F-150 RAPTOR VEHICLES BUILT ON OR BEFORE 1/7/2011 MAY EXHIBIT EXCESSIVE CLUNK OR A CHIRP/SLIP/BUMP CONDITION FROM THE DRIVESHAFT ON ACCELERATION FROM A STOP OR WHEN BRINGING THE VEHICLE TO A STOP. THIS CONDITION TYPICALLY OCCURS ON VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 2000 MILES (3200 KMS). THIS CONDITION IS CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED BY ENGINEERING. IN THE INTERIM, LUBRICATE THE DRIVESHAFT SLIP YOKE AT THE TRANSFER CASE USING MOTORCRAFT PTFE LUBRICANT, PART NUMBER XG-8. USE APPROXIMATELY 1/2 THE CONTENTS OF THE TUBE AND APPLY AN EVEN COAT TO THE SLIP YOKE. REFER TO WORKSHOP MANUAL (WSM), SECTION 205-01 FOR DRIVESHAFT REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION DETAILS. CONTINUE TO MONITOR OASIS FOR UPDATES.

[Birdman]

Thanks for posting this Rob..:tiphat2:

[VaporDude]

I have heard about this on the Raptor forum. I don't think that I have really noticed it but I will pay attention to it the next time my wife lets me drive it. :doh2:

[Joe G]

I don't think that I have really noticed it but I will pay attention to it the next time my wife lets me drive it - when she's not killing bambi with it. :doh2:

:nonono:

[VaporDude]

I guess she will not live that down.

[Joe G]

I guess she will not live that down.

:no:




:giggle:

[Boston Mike]

I guess she will not live that down.

NOt with this crew.

[Joe G]

NOt with this crew.

That's right, battery boy. :redcard:

[CH53Driver]

That's right, battery boy. :redcard:

:spitcopy:

[Boston Mike]

That's right, battery boy. :redcard:

Just for that, no pajama party pics for you.

[Darkside]

Send the pics to me :grin:

Once again ordering the 2011 is saving me from trouble

[Black Vert SS]

I have not experienced this either. And no, my wife is not driving my RAPTOR!!!

[Gr8snkbite]

That's right, battery boy. :redcard:

:goodpost:








:haha:

[Joe G]

Just for that, no pajama party pics for you.

I don't think so, :monkey: boy!

:gun:

[Shlbylvr]

I don't think so, :monkey: boy!

:gun:

Buttercup being a "star" husband

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[King Cobra]

I posted this on the Raptor Forum and thought I'd share it here. I've had the clunk since almost day one.

There is now a TSB out for it TSB 11-5-7 which involves the replacement of the driveshaft. http://www.raptorforumz.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8480&d=1305066331

I'll let you know how this works out.


Talked to my home town Ford dealer about the TSB last friday and he told me he didn't have anyone trained to work on Raptors and besides they couldn't get it on their lifts.:wtf:
So I then made an appointment with a Ford dealer that is on my way to work. This appointment was just so they could check it out. We agreed on 2 p.m. yesterday. After I got there the service manager told me it would be at least a 2 hour wait. I told him no way would I wait 2 hours just so they could check it especially when I had an appointment.:mad:

This morning I e-mailed the Ford dealer that did the tranny TSB on my GT500 in 09. They are about 25 miles from my home. The service manager got back to me within an hour and told me he ordered the parts and would let me know as soon as they come in. He told me that normally they would have to check it first but with my discription of the problem and the TSB # etc. he went ahead and ordered it.

This is a good example of the way different dealerships are run. It pays to shop around.

It may also have something to do with the pizzas I bought for everyone when they did the TSB on the GT500.:D

[JTB]

I posted this on the Raptor Forum and thought I'd share it here. I've had the clunk since almost day one.

There is now a TSB out for it TSB 11-5-7 which involves the replacement of the driveshaft. http://www.raptorforumz.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8480&d=1305066331

I'll let you know how this works out.


Talked to my home town Ford dealer about the TSB last friday and he told me he didn't have anyone trained to work on Raptors and besides they couldn't get it on their lifts.:wtf:
So I then made an appointment with a Ford dealer that is on my way to work. This appointment was just so they could check it out. We agreed on 2 p.m. yesterday. After I got there the service manager told me it would be at least a 2 hour wait. I told him no way would I wait 2 hours just so they could check it especially when I had an appointment.:mad:

This morning I e-mailed the Ford dealer that did the tranny TSB on my GT500 in 09. They are about 25 miles from my home. The service manager got back to me within an hour and told me he ordered the parts and would let me know as soon as they come in. He told me that normally they would have to check it first but with my discription of the problem and the TSB # etc. he went ahead and ordered it.

This is a good example of the way different dealerships are run. It pays to shop around.

It may also have something to do with the pizzas I bought for everyone when they did the TSB on the GT500.:D

:wow2: That blows Cal.


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[VaporDude]

I posted this on the Raptor Forum and thought I'd share it here. I've had the clunk since almost day one.

There is now a TSB out for it TSB 11-5-7 which involves the replacement of the driveshaft. http://www.raptorforumz.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8480&d=1305066331

I'll let you know how this works out.


Talked to my home town Ford dealer about the TSB last friday and he told me he didn't have anyone trained to work on Raptors and besides they couldn't get it on their lifts.:wtf:
So I then made an appointment with a Ford dealer that is on my way to work. This appointment was just so they could check it out. We agreed on 2 p.m. yesterday. After I got there the service manager told me it would be at least a 2 hour wait. I told him no way would I wait 2 hours just so they could check it especially when I had an appointment.:mad:

This morning I e-mailed the Ford dealer that did the tranny TSB on my GT500 in 09. They are about 25 miles from my home. The service manager got back to me within an hour and told me he ordered the parts and would let me know as soon as they come in. He told me that normally they would have to check it first but with my discription of the problem and the TSB # etc. he went ahead and ordered it.

This is a good example of the way different dealerships are run. It pays to shop around.

It may also have something to do with the pizzas I bought for everyone when they did the TSB on the GT500.:D

You would figure with the economy the way it is right now that dealers would be more than willing to help out customers. I guess they haven't taken that class yet. Glad to see that you got at least one sucker dealer to help you.

[Birdman]

I posted this on the Raptor Forum and thought I'd share it here. I've had the clunk since almost day one.

There is now a TSB out for it TSB 11-5-7 which involves the replacement of the driveshaft. http://www.raptorforumz.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8480&d=1305066331

I'll let you know how this works out.


Talked to my home town Ford dealer about the TSB last friday and he told me he didn't have anyone trained to work on Raptors and besides they couldn't get it on their lifts.:wtf:
So I then made an appointment with a Ford dealer that is on my way to work. This appointment was just so they could check it out. We agreed on 2 p.m. yesterday. After I got there the service manager told me it would be at least a 2 hour wait. I told him no way would I wait 2 hours just so they could check it especially when I had an appointment.:mad:

This morning I e-mailed the Ford dealer that did the tranny TSB on my GT500 in 09. They are about 25 miles from my home. The service manager got back to me within an hour and told me he ordered the parts and would let me know as soon as they come in. He told me that normally they would have to check it first but with my discription of the problem and the TSB # etc. he went ahead and ordered it.

This is a good example of the way different dealerships are run. It pays to shop around.

It may also have something to do with the pizzas I bought for everyone when they did the TSB on the GT500.:D

Sounds like they have figured out what the problem is. I know the Raptor I test drove when I was looking at new vehicles had the "clunk" . I noticed it right away when I was taking it out of the dealer's parking lot. I told the salesman about it, even pointed it out to him but he said Oh that is nothing :banghead:

It felt like the slip yoke in the DS was bottoming out and hitting when you stepped suddenly on the accelerator from a stop.

[Darkside]

I haven't heard the "clunk" but I will bring the TSB up to my service manager when I take it in for my scheduled service.

[King Cobra]

Sounds like they have figured out what the problem is. I know the Raptor I test drove when I was looking at new vehicles had the "clunk" . I noticed it right away when I was taking it out of the dealer's parking lot. I told the salesman about it, even pointed it out to him but he said Oh that is nothing :banghead:

It felt like the slip yoke in the DS was bottoming out and hitting when you stepped suddenly on the accelerator from a stop.

Yes...the slip yoke is the problem. It hangs up and then snaps forward causing the clunk.

[VaporDude]

Someone over on the Raptor forum put some kind of grease in their slip yoke to see if it would help. I haven't checked back on it yet to see if works long term. I know Ford was using some different grease but it was not a long term solution. I wonder why the 2010's don't have that problem and yet a lot of the 2011's do even with the same cab type. Did they redesign the yoke or the output shaft when they upgraded the transmission from the 2010's?

[King Cobra]

Everything I read is that lubing the yoke just provided temporary relief.:look: Initially Ford was lubicating the splines but discontinued when they found it was just a temporary fix.

There doesn't seem to be a distinct line as to when the "clunk" started. I have read that some of the 2010's have the issue also.

Don't know about the design changes other than the new yoke may have a slightly different design and a different alloy steel.

[Carnut]

Everything I read is that lubing the yoke just provided temporary relief.:look: Initially Ford was lubicating the splines but discontinued when they found it was just a temporary fix.

There doesn't seem to be a distinct line as to when the "clunk" started. I have read that some of the 2010's have the issue also.

Don't know about the design changes other than the new yoke may have a slightly different design and a different alloy steel.

The usual cause of driveline clunk is because the splines are dry, I wonder why the grease doesn't do the trick. Perhaps the splines don't match well or the finish is just too rough.

[King Cobra]

The usual cause of driveline clunk is because the splines are dry, I wonder why the grease doesn't do the trick. Perhaps the splines don't match well or the finish is just too rough.

I think your exactly right. I have not yet seen a good discription of the exact differences between the new and old splines.

[VaporDude]

Someone had a video on the Raptor site that showed exactly what happens when you hear the clunk. He hung a video camera under this truck and aimed it at the yoke of the driveshaft. You can see what exactly happens when you hear that clunk sound. Here are the videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFC8boB7RRs&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8XmFTNjX5E&feature=player_embedded

[JTB]

Someone had a video on the Raptor site that showed exactly what happens when you hear the clunk. He hung a video camera under this truck and aimed it at the yoke of the driveshaft. You can see what exactly happens when you hear that clunk sound. Here are the videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFC8boB7RRs&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8XmFTNjX5E&feature=player_embedded




:frown:

[Carnut]

Definitely binding up on the splines, never seen a video of it before though. It should movely smoothly in and out.

[Joe G]

Definitely binding up on the splines, never seen a video of it before though. It should movely smoothly in and out.

:yes:

[Birdman]

Someone had a video on the Raptor site that showed exactly what happens when you hear the clunk. He hung a video camera under this truck and aimed it at the yoke of the driveshaft. You can see what exactly happens when you hear that clunk sound. Here are the videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFC8boB7RRs&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8XmFTNjX5E&feature=player_embedded

Yep thats exactly what was happening to the one I test drove...:yes:

[68fastback]

I wonder if the splines could have been cut with inadequate clearance such that they bind ...not unlike the revision that was necessary as part of the clutch/tranny TSB.

[Gr8snkbite]

I wonder if the splines could have been cut with inadequate clearance such that they bind ...not unlike the revision that was necessary as part of the clutch/tranny TSB.

Now we know what they did with all those old tranny input shafts.....:haha:

[King Cobra]

Now we know what they did with all those old tranny input shafts.....:haha:

Your probably right:rofl3:

[68fastback]

:spitcopy: industrial recycling? :giggle:

[CH53Driver]

:spitcopy: industrial recycling? :giggle:

Wasn't there some propaganda article you posted about Ford leading the charge with industrial recycled vehicle components/interiors? :look:

[JTB]

Wasn't there some propaganda article you posted about Ford leading the charge with industrial recycled vehicle components/interiors? :look:



:spitcopy:

[68fastback]

:spitcopy: yeah, maybe that's it! :rolleyes:

[CH53Driver]

:spitcopy: yeah, maybe that's it! :rolleyes:

Ford Engineer Meeting Day 1:

"So, does our cost risk analysis outweigh the potential gain?"...

:look:

[Joe G]

Ford Engineer Meeting Day 1:

"So, does our cost risk analysis outweigh the potential gain?"...

:look:

Ford Engineer Meeting Day 2:

"So, after we decided on a course on day one, will JTB make fun of it 2 years down the road on Stangs United?"

:look:

[CH53Driver]

Ford Engineer Meeting Day 2:

"So, after we decided on a course on day one, will JTB make fun of it 2 years down the road on Stangs United?"

:look:

"Sir, that's why we made sure he got the :canada: Edition GT500."

:look:

[68fastback]

Day 3: ...Raptor/Rapture ...blackberry/raspberry ...just tell 'm to lube it until we figure it out :giggle:

[CH53Driver]

Day 3: ....just tell 'm to lube it until we figure it out :giggle:

"Sir, I heard some people (:canada:) like the lube." :look:

[68fastback]

:spitcopy: Mr. Lube (http://www.mrlube.com/en/mr-lube-near-you/Toronto.aspx?city=Toronto&prov=Ontario)? :haha:

[JTB]

"Sir, that's why we made sure he got the :canada: Edition GT500."

:look:

FAIL, my GT500 is a US Model, I picked it up myself in Cherry Hill, NJ and drove if back to the
Homeland. :canada: and saved myself $8k! NAFTA rocks!

[68fastback]

FAIL, my GT500 is a US Model, I picked it up myself in Cherry Hill, NJ and drove if back to the
Homeland. :canada: and saved myself $8k! NAFTA rocks!

Glad you got a great deal from them -- they're typically a bunch of dufi from having gone there several times.

I was just there this week. Last time I stopped in (late '09 maybe?) they still had a KR they were trying to sell ...for $86K :yikes: They do have an amazing inventory tho. I called to ask if they had a BOSS. They said yes. Went there. No BOSS. Talked to the Mustang dude and he says: we do have an allocation. I said I asked if you had a BOSS, not a friggin' allocation. :doh2: Loser Ford would be more appropriate :rofl3:

[JTB]

Glad you got a great deal from them -- they're typically a bunch of dufi from having gone there several times.

I was just there this week. Last time I stopped in (late '09 maybe?) they still had a KR they were trying to sell ...for $86K :yikes: They do have an amazing inventory tho. I called to ask if they had a BOSS. They said yes. Went there. No BOSS. Talked to the Mustang dude and he says: we do have an allocation. I said I asked if you had a BOSS, not a friggin' allocation. :doh2: Loser Ford would be more appropriate :rofl3:

Isn't Winner Ford a long hall for you Dan?

They were great to me, I bought the car over the phone with only a 2K deposit after seeing their eBay listing.
The sold me the car for list, 48K and change.
The had a minion pick me up at the train station in Philly and take me to the dealer as I took the train there after finishing up for in NYC.
I had my Corsa Cat Backs and FRPP lowering shipped to them before I picked the car up and they installed both during the PDI and did not charge me.
After I returned to :canada: the service manager packed up my stock parts an shipped them to my Toronto office UPS, no charge.

The only minor annoyance was they kept me waiting for over 30 minutes over a coffee and some donuts, verifying the USD Bank Draft I brought them. They're the ones that request a draft instead of a certified cheque, so I was not sure why it took so long or what they were doing after I gave it to them.

Over all a good experience. IMO

[CH53Driver]

FAIL, my GT500 is a US Model, I picked it up myself in Cherry Hill, NJ and drove if back to the
Homeland. :canada: and saved myself $8k! NAFTA rocks!

You need to reread what I wrote. Closely. :shades:

[JTB]

You need to reread what I wrote. Closely. :shades:

So I have to start reading back?

[CH53Driver]

So I have to start reading back?

You're starting to sound like TG too.:doh2:

[68fastback]

Isn't Winner Ford a long hall for you Dan?

They were great to me, I bought the car over the phone with only a 2K deposit after seeing their eBay listing.
The sold me the car for list, 48K and change.
The had a minion pick me up at the train station in Philly and take me to the dealer as I took the train there after finishing up for in NYC.
I had my Corsa Cat Backs and FRPP lowering shipped to them before I picked the car up and they installed both during the PDI and did not charge me.
After I returned to :canada: the service manager packed up my stock parts an shipped them to my Toronto office UPS, no charge.

The only minor annoyance was they kept me waiting for over 30 minutes over a coffee and some donuts, verifying the USD Bank Draft I brought them. They're the ones that request a draft instead of a certified cheque, so I was not sure why it took so long or what they were doing after I gave it to them.

Over all a good experience. IMO

...yeah, it's about 190 miles from here, JT ...the grandkids are down there ...sometimes I stop by Ford to see what's on the lot/floor. This past week they were well stocked. Tons of Fiestas and Edges. On the side of the lot they had a curious 'fleet' of about 25 identical Crown Vic Police Interceptors in civi paint ...Ford must have had a close-out fire sale on them ...didn't ask how much -lol.

[JTB]

...yeah, it's about 190 miles from here, JT ...the grandkids are down there ...sometimes I stop by Ford to see what's on the lot/floor. This past week they were well stocked. Tons of Fiestas and Edges. On the side of the lot they had a curious 'fleet' of about 25 identical Crown Vic Police Interceptors in civi paint ...Ford must have had a close-out fire sale on them ...didn't ask how much -lol.

Crown Vics are made in :canada: and that has created some consternation here, as the plant is scheduled to close in 2011 and the town is wondering if FORD will re-tool for another model, if not, many jobs are lost. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Crown_Victoria

As for Winner Ford, I was blown away by the size of the dealership when I got dropped off there. I dealt with the owner's brother who was a nice enough chap but then shortly after I picked up the car he went on some kind of medical leave and I just dealt with the Service Manager after he left to get my take off parts shipped.

I know they are pretty invlocved with the Phillies Baseball Club and provde a lot of the ball players cars and trucks and stuff, as there were a few Saleen SC F150 Harley Trucks there that were all beaten all to He11 with curbed wheels and 1 had a dented tail gate, I asked what was going on with all of these really nice, relatively rare HD trucks with the Saleen SCs on them and was told they were not taken care of very well be the baseball players. :doh2:

There was also a black Ford GT in for service when I was there too and I had a look and thought that their service department wasn't very busy for such a massive dealership.

As for South Jersey what a revelation compared to the armpit of North Jersey :wow2:, it was my first time to that part of the state and it has some very nice areas and friendly people.

[68fastback]

they're not far from Haddenfield -- really nice, old, very upscale community ...lots of middle class working families in Cherry Hill ...prolly why they have so many Edges in stock. Seems I always see old Mercedes that are clearly just old daily drivers ...and Bimmers and Lexi (lol) are everywhere there -lol.

Funny you mentioned about how quiet the service department was. As I recall the whole place has been very quiet each time I've been there, but it is in the center of a sprawling large 'bedroom' community so possibly it's much busier on the weekend ...when I'm usually not there. NJ is a fairly small state but it has the highest population density of any state in the US. It has almost no native economy (except for the Trenton statistical economic unit) ...most all of NJ economics are driven by NYC (huge commuter population mostly in the north) and Philly.

That area is very nice. In the last week the kids had offers on two houses rejected -- both in the Collingswood area (much like Haddonfield but at half the price). They still have a place in Vegas that's now underwater but, fortunately, rented to a chef friend.

[King Cobra]

Took the Raptor in yesterday afternoon and they replaced the driveshaft, changed the oil, rotated the tires and I'm now clunk free!:yay:

Aren't any of you other guys experiencing the clunk?

[Black Vert SS]

I have no clunk in my trunk!

Not yet any how. Although I am deaf in my left ear so maybe I just can't hear it. :doh2:

[King Cobra]

I have no clunk in my trunk!

Not yet any how. Although I am deaf in my left ear so maybe I just can't hear it. :doh2:

Believe me...if you had it you would know it, even without hearing it. You would feel it as well.

When they removed the old shaft I noticed the spline was fairly dry other than what looked like a little tranny fluid.

The spline on the new driveshaft came already packed with a pretty blue grease.

[VaporDude]

Since I hae a 2010, I have not expereinced it and I don't think any of 2010's have it. Congrats on getting this fixed. Some people think that it improves the overall performance and handling of the truck.

[Shlbylvr]

Believe me...if you had it you would know it, even without hearing it. You would feel it as well.

When they removed the old shaft I noticed the spline was fairly dry other than what looked like a little tranny fluid.

The spline on the new driveshaft came already packed with a pretty blue grease.

:pics:

[Black Vert SS]

:pics:

:waiting2:

[King Cobra]

:pics:


:waiting2:

Sorry....no pics. I forgot to get the camera out of my briefcase before it went up on the lift.:doh2:

[Black Vert SS]

Sorry....no pics. I forgot to get the camera out of my briefcase before it went up on the lift.:doh2:

That's OK I didn't want to see your shaft any way.



Now Heidi on the other hand,,,,,,,,

[rickf73]

That's OK I didn't want to see your shaft any way.



Now Heidi on the other hand,,,,,,,,

You want to see her shaft?

[CH53Driver]

You want to see her shaft?

:giggle:

[King Cobra]

That's OK I didn't want to see your shaft any way.



Now Heidi on the other hand,,,,,,,,


You want to see her shaft?

:rofl3:

[VaporDude]

Did you guys say that someone is getting the shaft?

[King Cobra]

Did you guys say that someone is getting the shaft?

I forgot to take pictures of my shaft and Jeff said he didn't want to see it anyway but that Heidi may want to see it and I'm upset because I don't get to showoff my shaft as much as I'd like to anymore.:kickrock:

[Joe G]

I forgot to take pictures of my shaft and Jeff said he didn't want to see it anyway but that Heidi may want to see it and I'm upset because I don't get to showoff my shaft as much as I'd like to anymore.:kickrock:

That'll happen when you get old. :look:

[King Cobra]

That'll happen when you get old. :look:

:boxing:

[Joe G]

:rofl:

[Shlbylvr]

That's OK I didn't want to see your shaft any way.



Now Heidi on the other hand,,,,,,,,
:weg:


You want to see her shaft?

:hey2:

[rickf73]

:weg:



:hey2:
:hide:

[Shlbylvr]

:hide:

:boink: