TSB 11-7-7 concerning aftermarket tuning and modifications on 2010-12 Mustang & F150

[Joe G]

Obviously makes sense - if your aftermarket tune makes your engine go BOOM, Ford says it's not their fault. :doh2:


Duh!


http://forums.themustangsource.com/f726/tsb-concerning-aftermarket-tuning-modifications-497095/

[Tommy Gun]

Only on newer models.

I think I'm gonna email a copy to John L. Just to be sure he has it.

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[Cheftjpeck]

Only on newer models.

I think I'm gonna email a copy to John L. Just to be sure he has it.

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:hilarious:





:doh2:

[68fastback]

Only on newer models.

I think I'm gonna email a copy to John L. Just to be sure he has it.

.

:spitcopy: :haha: :rofl3: rep points!!



Obviously makes sense - if your aftermarket tune makes your engine go BOOM, Ford says it's not their fault. :doh2:


Duh!


http://forums.themustangsource.com/f726/tsb-concerning-aftermarket-tuning-modifications-497095/

lol exactly...

Seems that very few folks get the notion that it's all in the tune and see that TSB as Ford somehow admitting the engine can't handle more power :doh2: Two cars can be making the exact same HP; one goes boom because of a bad tune (inept tuner and/or following dangerous tuning practices, like tweaking the MAF curve to reflect other than actual flow), the other doesn't. Both make the same exact HP! You can have a bad tune that can damage your engine at lower HP levels than a quality well-tested *correct* tune ...that seems to escape most everyone posting over there -- that there are correct and incorrect mothods. It's not just about making more HP, it's about how the additional HP is made.

I like the guy who says, to the effect, if you're gonna mod, put on your big-boy pants and take responsibility, etc. All the more reason to know how your tuner *really* tunes, etc.

[Cheftjpeck]

wow this is a hot topic on that other place.... Tee hee....:wow2:

[Tommy Gun]

I trust my current tuner. :look:

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[Cheftjpeck]

I trust my current tuna. :look:

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:grin:


:chef:

[68fastback]

I trust my current tuner. :look:

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:goodpost: :biggrin:

[Birdman]

I have to laugh at some of the responses on that forum...some of those guys are clueless but it seems most understand why Ford makes that statement about aftermarket tuners and their tunes and the complexity of the Ford tune and why they don't want it tampered with.

[Tommy Gun]

I'm clueless.

[CH53Driver]

I'm clueless.

:giggle:

Very intelligent conversation going on here. :look:

[Gr8snkbite]

Doesn't apply to the GT500.......:yay:




At least yet.....

[Birdman]

Doesn't apply to the GT500.......:yay:




At least yet.....

If it doesn't "officially" it should IMO....

[68fastback]

...exactly ...the TSB is just clarified dealer-service guidance. Ford's underlying policy is surely unchanged: if you do somehting that actually causes a failure, you own it; if not, warranty applies to extent it would otherwise. How aggressively they may/not set the push-back bar by default (in essence, the default conditions under which they'll shift the burden onto the customer to prove their rmod *didn't* do it) might vary a bit by model, but the underlying policy line-in-the-sand is almost surely bumped up right against Moss-Magnusson ...and unchanged, imo.

[Carnut]

I would presume that Ford Racing tunes would exempt this policy.

Dunno, but it certainly raises some confusion.

[68fastback]

Dunno ...there may be some, but I'm not aware of any Ford Racing tunes that aren't accompanied by some h/w mods (whether just an intake or a whole SC package, etc) that state they alter the powertrain or portion of the warranty in some way (reduce to 12 months [e.g. 400HP 4.6 3V SC], or eliminate it [e.g. 550HP 4.6 3V SC]). That said, the Ford tunes are done right so if installed with FR h/w that reduces or eliminates the engine warranty it's still surely safer than many aftermarket tunes. I don't recall but some FRP basic CAI+tune packages may(??) be be transparent to the warranty.

[Vette Killer]

FRPP parts are all considered aftermarket and not Ford or factory replacement parts....I remember reading that on the catalog site one day but I can't seem to find it now....I am sure they would support a failure though if it was from a FRPP part or tune, they put the disclaimer up so the EPA can't come back after them for selling direct replacement factory parts that may push the vehicle out of the certified emissions level for the year it was made...

All of the babble over there is funny though...regardless of the policy it all comes down to the relationship you have with the dealer; if you are open and honest and have a good rapport you will get support...if you are a demanding tool throwing around F-bombs and talking loudly about what a POS Ford is blah blah blah you will get shown the policy...

EDIT: Found the link at FRPP http://www.fordracingparts.com/announcements/news47.asp

[Joe G]

Good writeup and explanation.

http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/07/07/dont-panic-the-warranty-voiding-tsb-really-isnt-that-big-of-a-deal/

[Birdman]

Good writeup and explanation.

http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/07/07/dont-panic-the-warranty-voiding-tsb-really-isnt-that-big-of-a-deal/

Good article ...puts it all in perspective....

"Folks, when you have something under warranty, and you choose to modify it for more performance, don’t expect the OEM to honor the warranty on the modified parts or systems (downstream systems included: if you mod the engine, don’t expect warranty relief on the clutch, transmission, or final drive). As I said at the beginning of the article, you pays your money and you takes your chances. And if you’re one of those who will try to pull one over on the OEM, understand that 1) you’re committing felony-level fraud, 2) the OEMs are able to figure out both hardware and software changes have happened, even if put back to stock before hauling the smoldering mass back to the dealer for the standard “I don’t know what happened, it just started running rough and making a knocking noise” claim."

[Joe G]

Rep points? :grin:

[Birdman]

Rep points? :grin:

:no: did you write it :shades:

[CH53Driver]

:no: did you write it :shades:

:giggle:

[Joe G]

I found it. :bigboss:

[Birdman]

I found it. :bigboss:

yes and I did thank you for that too....do I get rep points for thanking you? :haha:

[Gr8snkbite]

:no: