2013 Mustangs Revealed!! GT500, BOSS, GT, V6...

[68fastback]

2013 Mustang revealed today at LAIAS...

...here's some of the releases:

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GT500:

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Debuts As Most Powerful Production V8
in the World with 650 Horsepower, Top Speed of 200+ MPH



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/13gt500.jpg
2013 Ford
Shelby GT500


New Ford Shelby GT500 is powered by an aluminum 5.8-liter supercharged V8
producing 650 horsepower and 600 lb.-ft. of torque, making it the most powerful
production V8 engine in the world
Nearly every vehicle system has been optimized including powertrain, brakes,
gearing and suspension
New Shelby GT500 sets a performance-driven design standard with new
downforce- generating front grilles, aggressive splitter, new quad exhaust
system and two new forged-aluminum wheels
Also new for 2013 is an optional Performance Package with SVT-designed
Bilstein electronic adjustable dampers and a Torsen limited-slip differential.
The offering can be coupled with a track package for all-out racetrack
performance
More... (http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35567)

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BOSS:

Ford Mustang Boss 302: Back with More for 2013, Paying
Homage to a ’70s Legend



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/13mustangboss.jpg
2013
Ford Mustang Boss 302


2013 Ford Mustang Boss 302 builds on the heritage of the 1970 Boss 302 with
new, reflective hockey stick graphics package – first modern application on a
production car
Also new for 2013 is heritage-inspired School Bus Yellow paint and Sterling
Gray accents on Boss Laguna Seca, which delivers race-ready suspension,
aerodynamic details and removed rear seat
Ford SYNC® connectivity system becomes a standard Boss feature for 2013,
adding to a specially tuned engine, quad exhaust, brakes, suspension and design
that optimize weight, aerodynamics and track performance

More...
(http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35553)
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2013 Mustang TrackApps:

Ready, Set, Go: Track Apps on 2013 Ford Mustang Gives
Drivers Instant Performance Information

2013 Ford Mustang gets even more technology upgrades including Track Apps,
which delivers performance metrics through a 4.2-inch LCD productivity screen.
Designed with enthusiasts in mind, it measures g forces, shows
acceleration times in quarter-mile and 0-60 increments, and displays braking
times complete with automatic and countdown starts
Also new for 2013 Mustang are two audio systems that deliver premium sound,
with a new Shaker Pro system offering nine speakers that pump out 550 watts of
power
More... (http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35554)

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Track Apps Fact Sheet -PDF

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Design and Technology Overview:

New Design, More Technology for Ford Mustang



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/13mustanggt.jpg
2013 Ford
Mustang GT. (http://stangsunited.com/login.cfm?path_info=/article_display.cfm?article_id=35552)


New exterior design with more prominent grille, new hood and new LED
signature lighting give the latest Mustang a high-tech look
Drivers of automatic-equipped Mustangs will be able to shift their own gears
with new SelectShift Automatic™ transmission, now a standard feature
Industry-first technology allows drivers to monitor their own acceleration,
g force and braking on the track with new 4.2-inch LCD screen showing
Track Apps
More... (http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35552)

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Autoblog summary w/pics:

2013 Ford Mustang and Boss 302 get styling, packaging updates (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/15/2013-ford-mustang-and-boss-302-get-styling-packaging-updates/)

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Lots of info to peruse ;-) :banana:



[edit:] see also Birdman's summary HERE (http://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?5200-Birdman-s-Review-of-the-2013-GT500)

[Grabber]

This Link has Pic's of the GT500 Rear and more....

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/11/14/ford-unleashes-650-horsepower-2013-shelby-gt500/

[CH53Driver]

:wow2: I likey! :wtg:

[68fastback]

GT500 is loaded with goodies and options :woohoo: ...they've really been listening!!

...gotta love the dash-controlled electronically selectable shocks; vanilla, sport and no-assist modes for stability and traction control, TrackPak on top of the Performance Pak ...further-improved aero ...200mph-capable stock :faint: ...5.8L cross-drilled block and heads, 2.3TVS ("5.8" "SVT" logo'd) diff cooler, tranny cooler, oil cooler, improved engine and head cooling, more radiator cooling, 35% more intercooler cooling, bigger IC pump, re-profiled cams, 6-piston brakes, new break compounds, Torsen diff, re-optimized gearing, CF driveshaft, dual-disc cluch, even TrackApps! ...and.many more standard features too ...Ford is really are bringin' it to Crapmaro :giggle:
:banana: :woohoo: :banana:

[Lurker]

Good times!

[Lurker]

You spelled Crappymaro wrong...

...just sayin'...

:tease2:

[Quagmire]

Ford just flipped the bird to to Chevy and Dodge big time. I'm happily stunned at what they are doing. Simply amazing, I just hope I can afford one.

It is a good day to be a Blue Oval fan. GO FORD!!!

[Boston Mike]

Great, just as I was planning on paying off the 2008.............................

[blackshelby]

Anybody want to buy a 2009 KR. LOL

So which one do I sell my 07 or my KR ???? I am thinking KR...

Finally glad Ford is taking no prisoners this time.:gun:







2013 Mustang revealed today at LAIAS...

...here's some of the releases:

---

GT500:

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Debuts As Most Powerful Production V8
in the World with 650 Horsepower, Top Speed of 200+ MPH



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/13gt500.jpg
2013 Ford
Shelby GT500


New Ford Shelby GT500 is powered by an aluminum 5.8-liter supercharged V8
producing 650 horsepower and 600 lb.-ft. of torque, making it the most powerful
production V8 engine in the world
Nearly every vehicle system has been optimized including powertrain, brakes,
gearing and suspension
New Shelby GT500 sets a performance-driven design standard with new
downforce- generating front grilles, aggressive splitter, new quad exhaust
system and two new forged-aluminum wheels
Also new for 2013 is an optional Performance Package with SVT-designed
Bilstein electronic adjustable dampers and a Torsen limited-slip differential.
The offering can be coupled with a track package for all-out racetrack
performance
More... (http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35567)

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BOSS:

Ford Mustang Boss 302: Back with More for 2013, Paying
Homage to a ’70s Legend



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/13mustangboss.jpg
2013
Ford Mustang Boss 302


2013 Ford Mustang Boss 302 builds on the heritage of the 1970 Boss 302 with
new, reflective hockey stick graphics package – first modern application on a
production car
Also new for 2013 is heritage-inspired School Bus Yellow paint and Sterling
Gray accents on Boss Laguna Seca, which delivers race-ready suspension,
aerodynamic details and removed rear seat
Ford SYNC® connectivity system becomes a standard Boss feature for 2013,
adding to a specially tuned engine, quad exhaust, brakes, suspension and design
that optimize weight, aerodynamics and track performance

More...
(http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35553)
---

2013 Mustang TrackApps:

Ready, Set, Go: Track Apps on 2013 Ford Mustang Gives
Drivers Instant Performance Information

2013 Ford Mustang gets even more technology upgrades including Track Apps,
which delivers performance metrics through a 4.2-inch LCD productivity screen.
Designed with enthusiasts in mind, it measures g forces, shows
acceleration times in quarter-mile and 0-60 increments, and displays braking
times complete with automatic and countdown starts
Also new for 2013 Mustang are two audio systems that deliver premium sound,
with a new Shaker Pro system offering nine speakers that pump out 550 watts of
power
More... (http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35554)

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Track Apps Fact Sheet -PDF

---

Design and Technology Overview:

New Design, More Technology for Ford Mustang



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/13mustanggt.jpg
2013 Ford
Mustang GT. (http://stangsunited.com/login.cfm?path_info=/article_display.cfm?article_id=35552)


New exterior design with more prominent grille, new hood and new LED
signature lighting give the latest Mustang a high-tech look
Drivers of automatic-equipped Mustangs will be able to shift their own gears
with new SelectShift Automatic™ transmission, now a standard feature
Industry-first technology allows drivers to monitor their own acceleration,
g force and braking on the track with new 4.2-inch LCD screen showing
Track Apps
More... (http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35552)

---

Autoblog summary w/pics:

2013 Ford Mustang and Boss 302 get styling, packaging updates (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/15/2013-ford-mustang-and-boss-302-get-styling-packaging-updates/)

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Lots of info to peruse ;-) :banana:

[Cheftjpeck]

WOW!!!!!! I love it!!!! I can only imagine with all those options what the price will be $$$$$$
60-65k??
I am seriously considering one if price is right

[Lurker]

:salute2:

[Shlbylvr]

I totally love everybody's reaction to the 2013..

[ati]

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Debuts as Most Powerful Production V8 in the World with 650 Horsepower, Top Speed of 200+ MPH



http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/15/2013-ford-shelby-gt500-delivers-650-hp-and-200-mph-straight-from/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/15/2013-ford-shelby-gt500-delivers-650-hp-and-200-mph-straight-from/)

[CH53Driver]

Anybody want to buy a 2009 KR. LOL

So which one do I sell my 07 or my KR ???? I am thinking KR...

Finally glad Ford is taking no prisoners this time.:gun:

If it were me, I'd keep the KR (especially if it's still stock). I'd dump the 07 and get the new 13 as the toy. The KR can be a Sunday morning driver as I am sure they will be the most collectable of the group (someday). :shades:

[CH53Driver]

And to think that this combo is considered "detuned" from the factory. :shades: I'm sure FRPP will offer a 75 bhp "tune upgrade" bringing the total to 725 bhp. :grin:

[ati]

I didn't notice that this topic was already posted by 68fastback, The mods can delete this thread if they want.

[Alloy Dave]

Sorry if this has already been posted, I've not been online much lately.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2013-ford-shelby-gt500/#photo-4606263/

[VaporDude]

I want one of each.........:spend:

[Shlbylvr]

I want one of each.........:spend:
+1

[Boston Mike]

I didn't notice that this topic was already posted by 68fastback, The mods can delete this thread if they want.


Did you really think you'd be quicker than Dan on anything Ford related???? :haha:

We don't delete threads. We :postwhore: them.

[Shlbylvr]

Did you really think you'd be quicker than Dan on anything Ford related???? :haha:

We don't delete threads. We :postwhore: them.

:goodpost:

[Gr8snkbite]

nice upgrades....:grin: like the twin exh pipes...sweet....trade time...maybe...:innocent:

[68fastback]

You spelled Crappymaro wrong...

...just sayin'...

:tease2:

:spitcopy: ...oops, my bad :biggrin:

[68fastback]

nice upgrades....:grin: like the twin exh pipes...sweet....trade time...maybe...:innocent:

...there's even a new blurple blue available :grin:

[68fastback]

Anybody want to buy a 2009 KR. LOL

So which one do I sell my 07 or my KR ???? I am thinking KR...

Finally glad Ford is taking no prisoners this time.:gun:

:wtg: ....now Ford Racing just needs that TVS3100! :frolic: :banana: ;-)

[68fastback]

Did you really think you'd be quicker than Dan on anything Ford related???? :haha:

We don't delete threads. We :postwhore: them.

:spitcopy: x2 :rofl3:

[Darkside]

There is no way I could even come close to getting enough of my money back trying to trade in the Darkmobile in a 2013 to make it worth my while, so I will just have to buy the engine when it comes out in the Ford Racing catalog.

That engine will be mine.......oh yes it will.

[Joe G]

There is no way I could even come close to getting enough of my money back trying to trade in the Darkmobile in a 2013 to make it worth my while, so I will just have to buy the engine when it comes out in the Ford Racing catalog.

That engine will be mine.......oh yes it will.BVM Performance will watch for the order. :bigboss:

[The Bone]

This is incredible looks like Ford is trying to get into the Corvette category with the GT500. I like the back a lot the front with the rounded edges on the grill must be for aerodynamics still not sold on that but if it makes it go faster than I'm all in.
Maybe my wife would give up the SHO and wait for the 500 instead. :nonono:

[HSURB]

So, if the GT500 is 650 hp now from the factory, what type of mods do you imagine will be available to add another 100 or so hp. . . . without compromising the internals.

Also, with 650 hp as the new benchmark, have the engine internals been upgraded from what we have in our GT500's?

Spill the beans George!!!!!!!

Thanks,

HSURB®

[Birdman]

So, if the GT500 is 650 hp now from the factory, what type of mods do you imagine will be available to add another 100 or so hp. . . . without compromising the internals.

Also, with 650 hp as the new benchmark, have the engine internals been upgraded from what we have in our GT500's?

Spill the beans George!!!!!!!

Thanks,

HSURB®

With a 7000 RPM red line ...what do you think...:innocent:

[Joe G]

With a 7000 RPM red line ...what do you think...:innocent::wtg:

[Joe G]

Cool article on the specs in R&T too... http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/2013-ford-shelby-gt500?zeta_mid=HFM2_633671&zeta_rid=81168315

[VaporDude]

Maybe our favorite engine builders will chime in on the specs. If I remember right, this whole engine has been beefed up. I wouldn't be surprised if you can get at least 1,000 HP out of that engine. Wait until the aftermarket get a hold of that beast. I would love to get a 2013 but I want to see what else is coming out in the 2014 or 2015 MY.

[Joe G]

Maybe our favorite engine builders will chime in on the specs. They make a MEAN and FAST engine! :chirp:

[VaporDude]

They make a MEAN and FAST engine! :chirp:

They build the best engines.

[Joe G]

They build the best engines.:iagree:

[Alloy Dave]

This is incredible looks like Ford is trying to get into the Corvette category with the GT500. I like the back a lot the front with the rounded edges on the grill must be for aerodynamics still not sold on that but if it makes it go faster than I'm all in.
Maybe my wife would give up the SHO and wait for the 500 instead. :nonono:Agree, the back is much improved from the current version IMO. Always have liked the front. And no, I'm not talking about Sandra Bullock. :trouble:

[Joker]

So how much can I sell my Super Snake for so I can get this car????

[Grabber]

So how much can I sell my Super Snake for so I can get this car????

Don't do it Robert. Your car is sooooo cool. just sit back and enjoy watching the others get them and check them out at the shows. If you must have one......get a used one in 2 years when the 15's come out. They will be given them away by then.

[Grabber]

Robert, Here is a SS for a buy it now price just above 40K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-Shelby-GT500-Convertible-Super-Snake-look-/160680875359?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item256953955f

[Joe G]

Robert, Here is a SS for a buy it now price just above 40K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-Shelby-GT500-Convertible-Super-Snake-look-/160680875359?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item256953955fI think it's a scam.

It doesn't even mention the SS package changes beyond the 20" Alcoa's - nothing about the engine mods or interior/exterior mods etc.

[68fastback]

Cool article on the specs in R&T too... http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/2013-ford-shelby-gt500?zeta_mid=HFM2_633671&zeta_rid=81168315

Interesting ...but Bailey seems unaware that the '05 chassis was significantly improved for the '07 GT500 and then tweaked again in '10.

He mentions the change in displacement to 5.8 and that the additional bore capacity was just unused previously and also mentions PWTA -- but never puts two and two together -doh ...without the need for 4mm liners (since the GT500 got the '11 alloy block) you can now have more bore and still have room for cross-drilled cooling -- it's PWTA that actually permits the additional bore for 5.8L (and will permit the 5.0 to go to about 5.4 if Ford decided to put PWTA into volume production and ditch the liners on the 5.0).

Viscous differential? Am I reading that right? He's saying Ford was considering a pumped viscous-coupled LSD? Interesting! Good to see Ford was evaluating multiple solutions but glad they went with the Eaton Torsen torque-biasing geared design -- an awesome solution, imo.

He says the "torque-sensing helical-gear unit with about a 2.1–2.3:1 torque bias" ...hmmm ...wonder why Ford's not using the 4.0-bias unit on the GT500. Maybe they will after all?

Bilstein DampTronics (http://www.bilstein.de/uploads/tx_templavoila/infoblatt_damptronic_en.pdf)absolutely rock!!! They are likely *the* most important single handling/stability item on this car ...along with the related roll-bar and spring-rate tuning. Did I mention Bilstein DampTronics rock?!! :banana:

[Joker]

Yea I doubt it's a real SS. No mention of the CSM # either.

I doubt I would sell my car for a new one, but no way I can afford a new car right now.

Also makes me wqonder what they have in store for the 2014 MY Mustang????!!!!!

[68fastback]

I think it's a scam.

It doesn't even mention the SS package changes beyond the 20" Alcoa's - nothing about the engine mods or interior/exterior mods etc.

Downingtown, PA ...that's not all that far from chainsaw boy :biggrin:

[CH53Driver]

You should go check out the Camaro forums right now. Quite entertaining. I think I heard Bob Lutz's head explode. :shades:

[68fastback]

Yea I doubt it's a real SS. No mention of the CSM # either.

I doubt I would sell my car for a new one, but no way I can afford a new car right now.

Also makes me wqonder what they have in store for the 2014 MY Mustang????!!!!!

I'd bet the '14 won't be more than a '13 carry-over with very limited changes ...Ford will likely shift to an earlier spring schedule so the all new MY15 can jump to an April 17, 2014 delivery for the 50th anniversary celebration ...at least that'd be my bet.

[68fastback]

You should go check out the Camaro forums right now. Quite entertaining. I think I heard Bob Lutz's head explode. :shades:

:lol: Yeah, they're really buzzing! It starts getting interesting HERE (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4021338). Pretty slick how Ford suckered GM into their ZL1 announcement on Nov 15th (LAIAS) and then released the GT500 info 1 day earlier :giggle: ...everyone carried the GT500 info -- even the general media has mentioned it, but nada on the ZL1 ...for once (or at least not many times) the bow tie boys got snookered at their own game. Notice that in the MSN Autos ZL1 info release (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=f5ab4cc1-f1c9-4eeb-9360-9091d46306f0), they've chosen to compare to the prior GT500 (little chart near the bottom), not the MY13 since the '13 effectively closes every one of those gaps (and then some!). The only advantage the ZL1 sports is GM superb Magneto Rheological dampers (and they are a superb technology) but even Porsche prefers the Bilstein DampTronics to the nanny-state computer-protection to the GM MR units -- tho they are very effective at making even a pig dance :hilarious:

You know competition is heating up -lol ...gotta love it. Hey, GM right here=> :bunny: :haha:

[Joe G]

You should go check out the Camaro forums right now. Quite entertaining. I think I heard Bob Lutz's head explode. :shades:Where's Lurker? :look:

[CH53Driver]

I love this quote on page 2 of what has already become a 30+ page thread (in 2 days, TG must be over there in some form or manner :shades:) on the Camaro forum:



"Yeah this new Shelby GT500 only weighs 3,850 lbs and the Camaro ZL1 weighs 4,120. Sorry the ZL1 doesnt stand a chance now. This is sad and disheartening to see and realize that the ZL1 is beaten before it even is sold to market. Not only that but this new Shelby is going to be close to the Corvette ZR-1 when it comes to speed other than the Corvette weighs less that is really a blow to Chevrolet. A $60,000 car might be able to best a $110,000 Corvette."






:giggle:

[Shlbylvr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=55XXIgRMK9k#!

[68fastback]

Sweet! I like the look! :wtg:

[68fastback]

I love this quote on page 2 of what has already become a 30+ page thread (in 2 days, TG must be over there in some form or manner :shades:) on the Camaro forum:



"Yeah this new Shelby GT500 only weighs 3,850 lbs and the Camaro ZL1 weighs 4,120. Sorry the ZL1 doesnt stand a chance now. This is sad and disheartening to see and realize that the ZL1 is beaten before it even is sold to market. Not only that but this new Shelby is going to be close to the Corvette ZR-1 when it comes to speed other than the Corvette weighs less that is really a blow to Chevrolet. A $60,000 car might be able to best a $110,000 Corvette."










:giggle:

:wtg: Ford!! ;-)

The only two things the Crapmaro has going for it (in terms of performance advantages) is the MR dampers -- this is how GM got the somewhat-twitchy ZR1 to handle with the Z06 (which is inherently a better handlong car). MR on the Crapmaro ZL1 is not to be underestimated in how much it will transform the handling of the ZL1. The other performance advantage is the ZL1 automatic. Interesting that both 'advantages' they will have are solutions I would not want. The MR is awesome but you can 'become one' with a Z06 or a Ford GT -- you can't 'become one' with a ZR1 unless your turn the computer off and then you're much more likely to 'become one' with a hay bale. No reason to believe the ZL1 will be different.

That said, GM is planning to *greatly* lighten the Camaro in 2013 (or so they say) ...rumors I've heard is they're trying to cut 400# out -- I think 150-175 is all they'll see when the bean counters try to eval it's price-elasticity in a market with a superior GT500 :weg: ...and, if anything, the MY'15 'stang will also be lighter -- possibly in the 3600-3650 range?

For the first time in half of forever Ford is playing real hardball -- from the factory -- without having to first be beaten about the head by dealers and customers alike to 'catch-up' after not being aggressive enough. I sure hope Ford remembers that winning isn't doing what's easy better than the competition -- it's doing what's *needed* better than the competition and that, by definition, is usually hard.

So, bring on the TVS 3100, Ford, and thereby broadcast your bad-azz competitive intentions louder than any paper media release can :yes: ...even if it's FRP-only, they need to lock-up rights to the TVS 3100 for at least a couple years. A volume OEM program could have done that ...an aftermarket program might not lever enough units to lock up exclusivity for more than a year if at all, but a year is better than not, imho, since GM has to change their whole IC design to accommodate it (upside down intergrated IC) so a year would effectively assure mustang dominance until the MY15 'stang. It's the principle of it -lol- take no prisoners!

Blocked from the 3100, GM would be compelled to 'surrender' the top slot for some time *or* have to go with cubic inchess, imo, and do a 7.0L ZL2 (or whatever) -- very expensive solution -- even if they just do a very limited volume -- easily a $75K Camaro ...but I do think they may eventually do just that, because 7.0 is magical and because it wold be to expensive for Ford to tack with them on that - -and they know it.

Unless Ford is prepared to do an alloy 7.0 off the 6.2 :nonono: it's just much cheaper to 'own' the TVS3100 for a year or so, imo, even if it never sees a factory build -- especially because GM's 7.0L parts bin is overflowing with titanium goodies from the Z06 7.0 -- and bringing the Ford 6.2 iron 2V to a killer 7.0 is *way* too expensive without F-series needing that too (they won't). Alternatively, Ford could do a high-deck version of the 5.0, but bore spacing would make that a low-revving slug at 7.0L. My guess, tho, is Ford will choose to just ride the 5.8 TVS2300 out until 2015 -- at which point the die will be cast for the future -- whatever that is.

Possibly it's already cast since an all-new global vehicle with a new RWD IRS chassis would already have to be well developed and into evauation since only about 24 months until 2015 mustang order bank opens :yes: If so, this 2013/14 Mustang may truly be the last of the VIN'd factory "hot rods."

[Birdman]

With the 2013 reaching the "iconic" 200 + mph mark I don't expect to see Ford give the nod to the 3.1 anytime in the foreseeable future. My guess is that achievement is precisely why they abandoned the prospect of going with the more expensive 3.1. I guess the mighty 2.3TVS has seen to that..:ohyes: :flex: To the power's that be at Ford's SVT there is simply no business case for it now.

[hellfyr]

So... now with production cars capable of High 10 second runs... and street legal... is NHRA going to lower the times required for roll cage installment ?
11.5 keeps a LOT of guys away from the track right now.

Rod

[mustang loco]

cant wait to see testing done and times from the ring...very nice job though Ford!!...read post 808# on camaro forum...interesting!!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182436&page=33

[mustang loco]

just read times for the ring on GT500 forum..( tech.info as well...)

http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12648

[Boston Mike]

With the 2013 reaching the "iconic" 200 + mph mark I don't expect to see Ford give the nod to the 3.1 anytime in the foreseeable future. My guess is that achievement is precisely why they abandoned the prospect of going with the more expensive 3.1. I guess the mighty 2.3TVS has seen to that..:ohyes: :flex: To the power's that be at Ford's SVT there is simply no business case for it now.


Too bad the 2.3 TVS was made obsolete by.............oh, nevermind.

:sofa:

Almost quitting time. :hungry:

[Alloy Dave]

Noting the redline change to 7,000 RPM...I wonder how significantly that contributed to the HP bump. As HP = TQ x RPM/5252, and assuming a torque of about 500 lb*ft (not sure if that's right, but certainly it won't be peak torque at that RPM), that would imply a 71 HP increase. In other words, 71 HP comes from the redline change and not an actual boost in the torque curve. Even if it's only 400 HP at that RPM, it would still mean 57 HP.

I think it will be interesting to lay the torque curves of the current engine against the new one. I want to see the integral of the area between 6,250 and 7,000 RPM.

Thoughts anyone?

[Birdman]

Noting the redline change to 7,000 RPM...I wonder how significantly that contributed to the HP bump. As HP = TQ x RPM/5252, and assuming a torque of about 500 lb*ft (not sure if that's right, but certainly it won't be peak torque at that RPM), that would imply a 71 HP increase. In other words, 71 HP comes from the redline change and not an actual boost in the torque curve. Even if it's only 400 HP at that RPM, it would still mean 57 HP.

I think it will be interesting to lay the torque curves of the current engine against the new one. I want to see the integral of the area between 6,250 and 7,000 RPM.

Thoughts anyone?
The addition of the more efficent TVS SC is the most important ingredent here. That said I would think the torque curves with this engine will be close to an equally equipted 2011 witha TVS. The difference lies with it's ability to reach 7000rpm in 5th gear and how and why it is able to unlike it's predecessor.

It can do that because of the added cooling this engine employs as well as the sum of it's improvements...... such as:

(1)cross drilled block and heads.
(2)Better pistons using "oil squiters" for better cooling
(3)an oil pan that holds 1.5 more qts
(4)better balanced crank assembly
(5) larger engine cooling fan,
(6) fan shroud with high-speed pressure-relief doors,
(7) a more efficient charge air cooler,
(8) a higher-flow intercooler pump
(9)an intercooler heat exchanger with a 36 percent increase in volume.
larger 3-row intercooler, up from a 2-row.

[VaporDude]

If we all know Ford like we do, I am betting by the 2015 model, they will find a way to boost the HP to close to 700 from the factory without increasing displacement. They will find more efficient ways to cool the engine and airflow throughout the engine.

[Shlbylvr]

The addition of the more efficent TVS SC is the most important ingredent here. That said I would think the torque curves with this engine will be close to an equally equipted 2011 witha TVS. The difference lies with it's ability to reach 7000rpm in 5th gear and how and why it is able to unlike it's predecessor.

It can do that because of the added cooling this engine employs as well as the sum of it's improvements...... such as:

(1)cross drilled block and heads.
(2)Better pistons using "oil squiters" for better cooling
(3)an oil pan that holds 1.5 more qts
(4)better balanced crank assembly
(5) larger engine cooling fan,
(6) fan shroud with high-speed pressure-relief doors,
(7) a more efficient charge air cooler,
(8) a higher-flow intercooler pump
(9)an intercooler heat exchanger with a 36 percent increase in volume.
larger 3-row intercooler, up from a 2-row.

Silly question here, what is the added advantage of additional oil?

[The Bone]

More oil will mean that the oil takes longer to cycle through the engine giving it more time in the pan to cool it somewhat.

[VaporDude]

More oil will mean that the oil takes longer to cycle through the engine giving it more time in the pan to cool it somewhat.

Also with the oil squirters in the pistons, it will cycle more oil at one time.

[Joker]

I also believe that the bump in HP/TQ is due to the .4 bump in displacement. I wouldn't be suprised if this engine is not even close to it's max potential.

[Shlbylvr]

More oil will mean that the oil takes longer to cycle through the engine giving it more time in the pan to cool it somewhat.

Got it, thanks.

[Joe G]

Are they using new style pistons and rods to handle the higher RPM?

I thought the current style rods wouldn't like that RPM range?

[CH53Driver]

Are they using new style pistons and rods to handle the higher RPM?

I thought the current style rods wouldn't like that RPM range?

My understanding is :yes:

Can you say forged? :shades:

[Joe G]

My understanding is :yes:

Can you say forged? :shades:


FORGED! :drool:

[Joe G]

H-beam rods like the old FRP 5.4 option?

[Birdman]

I also believe that the bump in HP/TQ is due to the .4 bump in displacement. I wouldn't be suprised if this engine is not even close to it's max potential.

You are correct we already know that from the 2007 engines which easily make up to 750 bhp with no problems. Believe me this engine is very underrated by Ford with this combination. My guess is they are limitting it's output in the tune by controling the throttle opening....an easy fix if one wanted to increase it's output.

[Alloy Dave]

You are correct we already know that from the 2007 engines which easily make up to 750 bhp with no problems. Believe me this engine is very underrated by Ford with this combination. My guess is they are limitting it's output in the tune by controling the throttle opening....an easy fix if one wanted to increase it's output. Oh we'd never do that. :innocent:

[68fastback]

Noting the redline change to 7,000 RPM...I wonder how significantly that contributed to the HP bump. As HP = TQ x RPM/5252, and assuming a torque of about 500 lb*ft (not sure if that's right, but certainly it won't be peak torque at that RPM), that would imply a 71 HP increase. In other words, 71 HP comes from the redline change and not an actual boost in the torque curve. Even if it's only 400 HP at that RPM, it would still mean 57 HP.

I think it will be interesting to lay the torque curves of the current engine against the new one. I want to see the integral of the area between 6,250 and 7,000 RPM.

Thoughts anyone?

The revised gearing and 7K redline conveniently puts the 1-2 shift at 62-63 mph -- that's pretty important given the ZL1 has a fast-shift automatic option and better weight distribution due to it's rather heavy IRS design -- and killing the ZL1 0-60 is all-important among the ragmag 'bench-racing' crowd :yes:

[68fastback]

The addition of the more efficent TVS SC is the most important ingredent here. That said I would think the torque curves with this engine will be close to an equally equipted 2011 witha TVS. The difference lies with it's ability to reach 7000rpm in 5th gear and how and why it is able to unlike it's predecessor.

It can do that because of the added cooling this engine employs as well as the sum of it's improvements...... such as:

(1)cross drilled block and heads.
(2)Better pistons using "oil squiters" for better cooling
(3)an oil pan that holds 1.5 more qts
(4)better balanced crank assembly
(5) larger engine cooling fan,
(6) fan shroud with high-speed pressure-relief doors,
(7) a more efficient charge air cooler,
(8) a higher-flow intercooler pump
(9)an intercooler heat exchanger with a 36 percent increase in volume.
larger 3-row intercooler, up from a 2-row.

...and all of those things support consistent lap-after-lap times ...this car is clearly made for a road course as much as a drag strip -- pretty amazing!

I also noticed that the CTS-V was hailed by GM as untouchable, yet got smoked by the BMW M3 in that shootout on the 'ring -- which is interesting since the BOSS-LS smokes the M3 at Laguna Seca, so might well have won a tthe 'ring too. Given the power and anticipated near-BOSS handling of this GT500, I would not be surprised if it smokes the ZL1 decisevely. So GM throws down the gauntlet knowing full well that no racing at the 'ring is even possible now until the weather warms up in the spring -- but it strokes all their homeys' egos over the winter just fine -- either way ;-)

[Birdman]

...and all of those things support consistent lap-after-lap times ...this car is clearly made for a road course as much as a drag strip -- pretty amazing!

I also noticed that the CTS-V was hailed by GM as untouchable, yet got smoked by the BMW M3 in that shootout on the 'ring -- which is interesting since the BOSS-LS smokes the M3 at Laguna Seca, so might well have won a tthe 'ring too. Given the power and anticipated near-BOSS handling of this GT500, I would not be surprised if it smokes the ZL1 decisevely. So GM throws down the gauntlet knowing full well that no racing at the 'ring is even possible now until the weather warms up in the spring -- but it strokes all their homeys' egos over the winter just fine -- either way ;-)

Dan (in case you haven't seen it yet) all that info on the 2013 and more can be found right here on SU at :http://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?5200-Birdman-s-Review-of-the-2013-GT500

[Gr8snkbite]

The revised gearing and 7K redline conveniently puts the 1-2 shift at 62-63 mph -- that's pretty important given the ZL1 has a fast-shift automatic option and better weight distribution due to it's rather heavy IRS design -- and killing the ZL1 0-60 is all-important among the ragmag 'bench-racing' crowd :yes:

Doesn't really matter if they didn't fix the dreaded 1-2 grind.....

[Birdman]

Doesn't really matter if they didn't fix the dreaded 1-2 grind.....

They upgraded all the syncro's and gears in the trans (like I have in my trans :grin:) same as in the Viper and the Corvette so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.IMO

[Gr8snkbite]

They upgraded all the syncro's and gears in the trans (like I have in my trans :grin:) same as in the Viper and the Corvette so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.IMO

Took em long enough.....we'll see.....:grin:

[68fastback]

Dan (in case you haven't seen it yet) all that info on the 2013 and more can be found right here on SU at :http://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?5200-Birdman-s-Review-of-the-2013-GT500

Thanks! ....nice job, George!! :wtg:

[CH53Driver]

Doesn't really matter if you can't reach the clutch pedal.....

:look:

[Birdman]

Thanks! ....nice job, George!! :wtg:

thanks Dan :tiphat2: I just added some new pics that Ford recently added to the media cue.

[68fastback]

...cool ...220mph speedo looks awesome too!!

...I added a link to your thread in my first post in this thread. :banana:

[68fastback]

I usually don't post Sounbits but these give some insight on the 13 GT500 and the overall philosophy for the whole stable -lol ...click on the little http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg
Release in Full:

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Soundbites: New Ford Shelby GT500 Mustang






Ford Motor Company unveiled the 200 mile-per-hour Mustang in Los Angeles and
it stole the show. The New Ford Shelby GT500 Mustang is the most powerful
production V8 engine in the world. It is powered by an aluminum 5.8-liter
supercharged V8 producing 650 horsepower and 600 lb.-ft. of torque. Jamal
Hameedi, SVT Chief Engineer, says this is the ultimate production Ford
Mustang.

Click on http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg to hear audio. Use right mouse
click to download.



Cut #1: http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg (http://media.ford.com/images/10031/112311_cut1.mp3)

“It
absolutely is the most powerful and it really is just the ultimate Mustang that
you can buy off the showroom floor with a full factory warranty nothing that
we’ve ever done has approached the performance levels in the Mustang line-up… of
this car.” :15 sec.




Hameedi says the Mustang BOSS 302 prompted the making of the 2013 Shelby
GT 500 Mustang.



Cut #2: http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg (http://media.ford.com/images/10031/112311_cut2.mp3)

”What
we wanted to do is maintain separation in the lineup, when we started looking at
ways to do that, and keeping the Shelby clearly separated from the BOSS that
drove a lot of the power and the handling changes…the BOSS 444 horsepower, this
car is now 650 horsepower.” :22 sec.




Hameedi says this car’s power will attract buyers to the
showroom.



Cut #3: http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg (http://media.ford.com/images/10031/112311_cut3.mp3)

“There
are thousands and thousands of loyal customers out there right now and really
what we wanted to do was bring them back to the showroom and give them a very
compelling reason to upgrade to the latest and greatest Shelby.” :15
sec.




The
New Shelby GT500 sets a performance-driven design standard with new
downforce-generating front grilles, aggressive splitter, new quad exhaust system
and two new forged-aluminum wheels. Hameedi says last year Ford had an optional
performance package, this year it will be standard.



Cut #4: http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg (http://media.ford.com/images/10031/112311_cut4.mp3)

”What
we’ve done for the 13 cars we’ve made all of the content of the
prior-performance package standard, so you get the, the forge wheels tires, the
Gen-2, supercars F-1 Good years standard and suspension tuning of the
performance package, that comes standard. And then what we did was to take
another step forward is we created a new performance package for 13, which
incorporates Bilstein electric dampers and a Torsen Rear limited slip
differential.” :32 sec.




As
you might expect the car does require high octane gasoline, but the engineers
were able to avoid the gas-guzzler tax.



Cut #5: http://media.ford.com/digital/speaker2.jpg (http://media.ford.com/images/10031/112311_cut5.mp3)

“So
what we did, the gearing that we implemented on this car helps a lot, we
increased the compression ratio, that helps fuel economy quite a bit and we
worked a lot on the engine calibration to absolutely minimize the fuel
consumption.” :14 sec.




The
2013 Ford Shelby GT500 will be built at AutoAlliance International Plant in Flat
Rock, Michigan and be in showrooms by late spring or early summer of next
year.