SERIOUSLY!!?!?! Door panel coming apart??

[Cheftjpeck]

Ok, on my way to work today I feel something rubbing my left arm.. I look over and it appears my door panel is coming apart.. The vinyl is peeling away from the panel?? What a cheap POS!!!!
I am so sick of this money trap.. I am seriously ready to just junk this thing and never buy a ford again... Anyone know how I could repair? Could I buy just the panel and replace?? Please help


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http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/CA9ECB50-0196-4F96-94F2-BEB3A77520CE-16124-00001F89BD83C398.jpg

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[68fastback]

Chef ...that sure looks like a latent defect. Possibly dealer will work with you? Else a talk to FMC Customer Relations in the context of there being no limitation on latent defects (in most all states, but dunno FL) *might* get a freebie replacement since it's clear that should not be happening.

TG could probably fix it in 20 minutes if you were in VA ...maybe he'll have some guidance on how to do it yourself?

[Cheftjpeck]

Chef ...that sure looks like a latent defect. Possibly dealer will work with you? Else a talk to FMC Customer Relations in the context of there being no limitation on latent defects (in most all states, but dunno FL) *might* get a freebie replacement since it's clear that should not be happening.

TG could probably fix it in 20 minutes if you were in VA ...maybe he'll have some guidance on how to do it yourself?

I agree..no one has ever smoked in the car (I knew back in the day car dealers aimed cig smoke broke down the glue on interior trim.. The car is garaged and yet what looks like the glue or something has failed.. Who knows of dealer would even work with me.. I kinda doubt it... Warranty expired, 54,000 on odometer... 4 years old...
This just plain sux

[Tommy Gun]

I've been seeing these on 2005's, I was afraid it was going to catch up to us.

2 of the main contributors to this is heat (which you have most of the time, and cigarette smoke.

I seriously doubt a dealer will help cover this since it's cosmetic.

I tried to fix one on a GT and it kicked my butt for 3 hours and didn't look nice to me.

Customer was ok with it because it was better than before, but I won't do another one.

Not worth that amount of time to me. The biggest issue is trying to re glue the piece at the bottom where it narrows to an inch or so.

Not something you can just put glue on and get away with.

The "right" glue won't stick to the deteriorated foam on the back of the vinyl.

A contact glue may hold it for a little bit, but it will ruin the vinyl for future attempted repair.

Hoping that mine being in the garage most of the time will prolong this for a looooooong time.

Sorry that's not very good news.

[Joe G]

TG could probably fix it in 20 minutes if you were in VA ...maybe he'll have some guidance on how to do it yourself?That's what I was thinking.


Maybe if you promise not to feed him rotten potatoes beets again, he may stop by on his way though later this year?

[Cheftjpeck]

I've been seeing these on 2005's, I was afraid it was going to catch up to us.

2 of the main contributors to this is heat (which you have most of the time, and cigarette smoke.

I seriously doubt a dealer will help cover this since it's cosmetic.

I tried to fix one on a GT and it kicked my butt for 3 hours and didn't look nice to me.

Customer was ok with it because it was better than before, but I won't do another one.

Not worth that amount of time to me. The biggest issue is trying to re glue the piece at the bottom where it narrows to an inch or so.

Not something you can just put glue on and get away with.

The "right" glue won't stick to the deteriorated foam on the back of the vinyl.

A contact glue may hold it for a little bit, but it will ruin the vinyl for future attempted repair.

Hoping that mine being in the garage most of the time will prolong this for a looooooong time.

Sorry that's not very good news.
Sorry in essence $400 for a new panel. :banghead:

[Tommy Gun]

I'll have to see what my cost is on one of these, the cost might be the leather armrest.

Not sure if that piece comes separate.

[Tommy Gun]

Old thread on this w some suggestions.

Another Florida person, this was 3 years ago so you're doing good. :grin:


http://forums.themustangsource.com/f739/door-panel-peeling-help-477951/


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[Darkside]

As I see it you could go one of two ways with this........

1- It a good reason to upgrade to a custom interior

or

2- A great justification to go for it and get a '13. Just tell Denise that the car has gotten to the point were multiple components are going to start failing and getting a 2013 would be cheaper in the long run.

So sayeth the Dark Lord. He who can justify just about any redonkulously expensive mod.

[Cheftjpeck]

I found a write up here... What do you think TG? Will it work

http://m.mustangforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=555655

[Tommy Gun]

I found a write up here... What do you think TG? Will it work

http://m.mustangforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=555655

That is basically what I did, but used an industrial contact cement from 3M.

Also had to do that strip along the bottom.

It is much harder than it looks, like I said took about 3 hours.

Also I had the whole door apart so I could get under the armrest area too.

The problem I see and encountered was that the surface is no longer smooth behind so it ends up being rough looking once the glue starts to set and dry.

W/ such a large area, once you start to apply the glue you have to start working it together in a couple minutes (not 15).

If you stretch it at all you will have to make up for it somewhere.

Just saying, be prepared. It is a pain.

[Cheftjpeck]

Thx .... I guess I will try and if it doesn't work... New panel
:banghead:

[Orf]

Thx .... I guess I will try and if it doesn't work... New panel
:banghead:

The guys at West Coast Customs make panels all the time.

Call Ish...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX2BAr5CHwo

[Orf]

This outfit is in Kissimmee


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_02Xa91Fgw

[Tommy Gun]

The guys at West Coast Customs make panels all the time.

Call Ish...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX2BAr5CHwo


The 2 worse things for leather...water and heat. :nonono:


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[Dad's72Mach]

Wouldn't any S197 charcoal door panel work? I would check a parts yard, there has to be plenty of wrecked S197 stangs out there by now, you might pick one up cheap.

[Cheftjpeck]

Wouldn't any S197 charcoal door panel work? I would check a parts yard, there has to be plenty of wrecked S197 stangs out there by now, you might pick one up cheap.

Are they the same?? I will have to look:. Great idea Dads72.. Your smart

:grin:

Oh I can just go to a car show with darkside and we can do a quick swap...

[Dad's72Mach]

Are they the same?? I will have to look:. Great idea orf ... Your smart

:grin:

Oh I can just go to a car show with darkside and we can do a quick swap...


Watch out. I'm not Orf and he may be insulted.


:pimp:

[Cheftjpeck]

Watch out. I'm not Orf and he may be insulted.


:pimp:

I don't know what your talking about
:grin:

Seriously, great idea though
Thank you

[Dad's72Mach]

I don't know what your talking about
:grin:

Seriously, great idea though
Thank you

No problem! Any S197 (certainly 2007-2009) in charcoal I believe will work just make sure it has shaker 500/1000 with the door subs.


:pimp:

[Cheftjpeck]

No problem! Any S197 (certainly 2007-2009) in charcoal I believe will work just make sure it has shaker 500/1000 with the door subs.


:pimp:

I think your right... Oh I'm assuming that my door panel is actually the $600 one since I have shaker
As it is described as door panel with premium sound $267
Door panel with performance sound $589

:banghead:

[Tommy Gun]

Wouldn't any S197 charcoal door panel work? I would check a parts yard, there has to be plenty of wrecked S197 stangs out there by now, you might pick one up cheap.

Nope.



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[Tommy Gun]

No problem! Any S197 (certainly 2007-2009) in charcoal I believe will work just make sure it has shaker 500/1000 with the door subs.


:pimp:

If he has the Leather upgrade it will be different than the GT.


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[Carnut]

Is this a foam backed vinyl?

[Tommy Gun]

Is this a foam backed vinyl?

These doors are strange Carnuty.

It's not like the foam backed material of yesterday.

It seems the door is covered w/ a jute type material and the vinyl is glued to it.

The glue then deteriorates and the vinyl falls off.

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[Joe G]

These doors are strange Carnuty.

It's not like the foam backed material of yesterday.

It seems the door is covered w/ a jute type material and the vinyl is glued to it.

The glue then deteriorates and the vinyl falls off.

.Is this actually a "leather look" vinyl or is it real leather?

[Tommy Gun]

Is this actually a "leather look" vinyl or is it real leather?

The piece he is talking about is vinyl.

Our armrests are what is supposed to be leather, not the door insert.

But I believe if you buy a GT door panel even the attached armrest is vinyl, not leather.

[Joe G]

The piece he is talking about is vinyl.

Our armrests are what is supposed to be leather, not the door insert.

But I believe if you buy a GT door panel even the attached armrest is vinyl, not leather.Oh! I didn't know that.

I thought that dimpled vertical material (above and below the armrest) was leather. :banghead:

[Carnut]

These doors are strange Carnuty.

It's not like the foam backed material of yesterday.

It seems the door is covered w/ a jute type material and the vinyl is glued to it.

The glue then deteriorates and the vinyl falls off.

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Welcome to world of composite crap made to make us feel better about the environment.

Not a good sign of products to come.

[Dad's72Mach]

No, I gotta call you on this one TG. Other than the custom seat stitching and steering wheel airbag cover our cars interiors are simply a plain old Mustang premium. Do a part number search on Silver State Ford Parts or at Tousley Ford, they are the same part as long as it is the one for the shaker system. A lot of us like to think our cars are special but they are basically a Mustang with a big engine and some Cobras pasted on with a few extras.

[Tommy Gun]

I'm not the one that think they are so much different. :grin:


I thought our upgrade package included the door armrest? Perhaps I'm thinking the center armrest?

[Dad's72Mach]

I'm not the one that think they are so much different. :grin:


I thought our upgrade package included the door armrest? Perhaps I'm thinking the center armrest?

That could be true, but even if the armrests are different they could be swapped out since Cheffy's problem isn't with them.

[Gr8snkbite]

ok PW's....:cop2:

:backontopic:




hey chefy...try junk yards...plenty of totaled gt500s out there...

[Carnut]

This seems to be a big enough problem that somebody has to be offering an aftermarket insert. A quick search of the internet didn't reveal anything but I have an attention disorder.

[Tommy Gun]

Thread cleaned up :mop:


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[Joe G]

Thread cleaned up :mop:


.:uwelcome:

[Carnut]

:uwelcome:

Instead of messing around, maybe you could make yourself useful and look into aftermarket door panel inserts.

[Tommy Gun]

Thread cleaned up :mop:


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Again :nonono:

[Cheftjpeck]

Door panel is fixed.. Did it myself.. Does not look 100% perfect .. BUT.. It looks very good for sure.. Wife said it looks great .. I am a little more Anal retentive.. So I notice little imperfections a little more..

[Cheftjpeck]

What it looked like
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/AC6685A6-A733-4E0D-9CAB-0BD618F53512-16124-00001F89AFEA8353.jpg

Repair Process
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/96AFA28F-5EC3-4C81-9239-A185E368FD33-19236-000025694051461E.jpg

Better than it was not perfect though
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/1096982C-3A19-4F4C-9B00-DC3E7C974F40-19236-000025694AA83042.jpg

Imperfections definitely show .. But saved me $$$$ for now .. Will replace down the road
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/A0CB5277-5E31-4B7A-A904-5A76805DBD40-19236-0000256954D11B44.jpg

[Darkside]

What did you use?

[Cheftjpeck]

What did you use?
Contact cement ($6.00 home depot)
Poly foam brushes ($1.25)
Masking tape ($1.97)
Patience and time

[Joe G]

Nice job Cheffy! :wtg:

[Cheftjpeck]

Don't know how long this will last though..
Thinking of having replaced w carbon fiber..wonder if panels themselves can be removed and hydro dipped ?

[Dad's72Mach]

Don't know how long this will last though..
Thinking of having replaced w carbon fiber..wonder if panels themselves can be removed and hydro dipped ?

At one time Monkey was working a project like that, maybe he'll chime in.

[Tommy Gun]

Would you like a job Chef? :shades:


The contact cement will tighten up after a few days and may look better...or worse. It's sorta a crap shoot. :look:

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[Cheftjpeck]

Would you like a job Chef? :shades:


The contact cement will tighten up after a few days and may look better...or worse. It's sorta a crap shoot. :look:

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I'm not a big fan of what it looks like now.. Its already bubbling a little bit...
But we will see ..

I really wish someone would make a decent replacement panel.. In carbon fiber
I r

[Cheftjpeck]

I keep checking on it to see if it is staying in place.. So far ok...

[68fastback]

Hope it holds up for you, chef!

[Cheftjpeck]

Hope it holds up for you, chef!

Thx Dan... Me too..

[Tommy Gun]

Stinky huh? :giggle:

[Cheftjpeck]

Stinky huh? :giggle:
Freaking cement gave me a headache..

[Joe G]

Freaking cement gave me a headache..Did it smell like rotten potatoes beets? :look:

[Tommy Gun]

Freaking cement gave me a headache..



:look:

[Cheftjpeck]

Did it smell like rotten potatoes beets? :look:

:rofl3:

[Tommy Gun]

Supposed to wear a mask, did you read the directions. :look:

[Joe G]

Supposed to wear a mask, did you read the directions. :look:It was cheaper than downing a 6pk of Coors Light.

[Cheftjpeck]

Supposed to wear a mask, did you read the directions. :look:
Mask shmask... I kept it in an open air environment...
:grin:



:ohsnap:

I don't feel so good......

:sick:

[Joe G]

Mask shmask... I kept it in an open air environment...
:grin:



:ohsnap:

I don't feel so good...... what's my name again? Who are all you people? Why can't I feel my toes?

:puke:

Oh crap!

[Tommy Gun]

:ohsnap:

[Gr8snkbite]

I'm not a big fan of what it looks like now.. Its already bubbling a little bit...
But we will see ..

I really wish someone would make a decent replacement panel.. In carbon fiber
I r

talk to Jay...maybe he'll give it a go for test market sake.....

[The Bone]

Chef take a small hard plastic roller and go over the panel to make sure that the material has made contact everywhere. otherwise looks great. It may be just because you know that it came off. Others will never know unless you tell them

[Tommy Gun]

Oh everyone knows now, everyone knows now....

[Cheftjpeck]

Oh everyone knows now, everyone knows now....
:banghead:

Actually it is starting to look better now.. As TG said its tightening up..
But man the glue still is like wooozy time

:sick:

[Tommy Gun]

Put a bowl of vinegar in the car for a few hours to get rid of the smell. :topSecret:

[The Bone]

Would arm and hammer backing soda do the same thing.

[Tommy Gun]

Would arm and hammer backing soda do the same thing.


That's old school. :look:

[68fastback]

WIsh I knew that vinegar trick in '78. My fully-customized Quadravan used LOTS of contact cement and the fumes were heavy-duty for YEARS! Especially after it was all locked-up in the sun in summer -- like when leaving work each day ...whew!! :faint: :lol:

[Alloy Dave]

Put a bowl of vinegar in the car for a few hours to get rid of the smell. :topSecret:

Good job on the repair Chef...only you can decide if it's good enough.


Now my Honda smells like vinegar. :nonono:

[Cheftjpeck]

Actually looks awesome now... Very happy w end results

[Cheftjpeck]

Coming apart again and now so is passenger door... Time to throw this thing in a Bon fire

[Joe G]

... Time to throw this thing in a Bon fire

Well, Vista Blue is pretty worthless to begin with. :look:
















:tiptoe:

[Cheftjpeck]

FREE TO GOOD HOME **
2008 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500

** just pay processing fee of $27,500

[Tommy Gun]

:wow2:

[Tommy Gun]

.....

A contact glue may hold it for a little bit, but it will ruin the vinyl for future attempted repair.....



:look:

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[Highwayman]

:look:

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:wow2: did someone read back...

[Joe G]

:wow2: did someone read back...

:busted:

[Tommy Gun]

:banghead:

[Shlbylvr]

Coming apart again and now so is passenger door... Time to throw this thing in a Bon fire
My door panels came apart last year. I bought some spray on glue stuff and it came out pretty good. This year, passenger panel is slowly coming apart. Guess what I'm doing saturday..

:shopping:

[Joe G]

Guess what I'm doing saturday..

:shopping:

New car or a new panel?

[Boston Mike]

New car or a new BOB?

Fixed

[Joe G]

Fixed


Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

[Cheftjpeck]

Taking mine to a local highly recommended auto upholstery guy to have both panels redone

[The Bone]

Road trip to V.B.

[Tommy Gun]

Road trip to V.B.


He doesn't go north passed the Savannah River. :look:

[Shlbylvr]

New car or a new panel?

Car.


Fixed


Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
:hey2:

Am just trying to decide if I want another car note or not.
Or if I should take to get repaired.
I love my car

[The Bone]

Get it repaired. If you love your car than nothing can replace it. I'd drive it till its not cost effective to fix.

[Tommy Gun]

Car.




:hey2:

Am just trying to decide if I want another car note or not.
Or if I should take to get repaired.
I love my car


What's wrong w it?

Just the door panels?

I can send a top secret pic I sent Chef if you have the means or a shop that can use the product. :look:


Or God forbid you drive to VB and I can do it. :look:

Or Florida the end of October :innocent:

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[Shlbylvr]

What's wrong w it?

Just the door panels?

I can send a top secret pic I sent Chef if you have the means or a shop that can use the product. :look:


Or God forbid you drive to VB and I can do it. :look:

Or Florida the end of October :innocent:

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I'm not driving to VB
I'll be in Chicago the end of October.

Yes, just the doorpanels.

[Shlbylvr]

Get it repaired. If you love your car than nothing can replace it. I'd drive it till its not cost effective to fix.

i'm considering a few things.

[Tommy Gun]

i'm considering a few things.


I'll text you something, do w it as you wish...

.

[Cheftjpeck]

What's wrong w it?

Just the door panels?

I can send a top secret pic I sent Chef if you have the means or a shop that can use the product. :look:


Or God forbid you drive to VB and I can do it. :look:

Or Florida the end of October :innocent:

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Does it work TG?

[Joe G]

i'm considering a few things.

:nonono:

[Tommy Gun]

Does it work TG?


I don't know the longevity yet, but it looks promising. Withstands more heat so we shall see.

Wish I had an old panel I could try and leave it somewhere the sun could hit it everyday and see how it does.

[Cheftjpeck]

You should do a write up on how to prep area and apply product etc

[Tommy Gun]

Are you going to pay me? :popcorn:


Lol

[Cheftjpeck]

Are you going to pay me? :popcorn:


Lol

Have you ever paid me for my cooking advice and beet info?
:nonono:

[68fastback]

...and for the ginger ale smoothies :shades:

[Tommy Gun]

Have you ever paid me for my cooking advice and beet info?
:nonono:


You never asked. :popcorn:

[Tommy Gun]

Ok, on my way to work today I feel something rubbing my left arm.. I look over and it appears my door panel is coming apart.. The vinyl is peeling away from the panel?? What a cheap POS!!!!
I am so sick of this money trap.. I am seriously ready to just junk this thing and never buy a ford again... Anyone know how I could repair? Could I buy just the panel and replace?? Please help


http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/7AB916B7-DE2E-4DAF-9337-EE2308288E21-16124-00001F89C769AB78.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/CA9ECB50-0196-4F96-94F2-BEB3A77520CE-16124-00001F89BD83C398.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/cheftjpeck/AC6685A6-A733-4E0D-9CAB-0BD618F53512-16124-00001F89AFEA8353.jpg




Hey Chef, they make inserts for your car now.


http://www.americanmuscle.com/door-insert-covers-black-0509.html



:hiding:


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[Joe G]

:ohsnap:

[Joe G]

$160 for just those small pieces? :nonono:


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[Tommy Gun]

Plus labor. :rofl3:

[Joe G]

Plus labor. :rofl3:

:spend:

[ati]

Pricey but good to know there is an available fix.

[Tommy Gun]

Pricey but good to know there is an available fix.


Funny thing is your material is perfectly fine, just need to know how to re-attach....

[ati]

Funny thing is your material is perfectly fine, just need to know how to re-attach....

Do you know how to fix this???

[onecrazydog]

Do you know how to fix this???

Gorilla glue...

[Joe G]

Do you know how to fix this???

Probably.... but he won't help friends. :nonono:

[onecrazydog]

Probably.... but he won't help friends. :nonono:

He told me he has no friends, and that we all are just acquaintances...

[Joe G]

He told me he has no friends, and that we all are just acquaintances...

:goodpost:

[Cheftjpeck]

Thx TG....
:nonono:

Cost me less to have repaired

[Tommy Gun]

He told me he has no friends, and that we all are just acquaintances...


:goodpost:


Lol

[Tommy Gun]

Thx TG....
:nonono:

Cost me less to have repaired


:rofl3: