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68fastback
12-07-2012, 02:57 AM
1965(4.5) Mustang VIN# 5 F 07 U 1 81810

5 - 1965 (includes 64.5)
F - Dearborn (Rouge)
07 - hardtop
U - 170 CID I-6
1 - (all 64.5 sequences started with 1 (i.e. 100,001 was car #1 in the sequence)
81810 - 81,810th of 92,705 ';64.5 hardtops (all hardtops we made in Dearborn at the Rouge, all verts were made in San Jose)

I've been doing someresearch for a buddy here who has this early Mustang. It's a single-blinker, generator, 170cid/6 (U-code) 64.5 red Mustang hardtop (07) made in Dearborn (F) at the Rouge in the summer of 1964. It seems all original to me.

The Marti reports andthe Eminger invoices don't seem to cover the first few years of Mustang.

What I'm wondering is anyone might have any contacts inside or outside Ford who might know a way to determine any of the follwing info:

- Monroney/windowsticker data
- date of manufacture -- likely late-June/early-July based in sequence (given 1965 cutover was on-the-fly betw Aug 1 and Aug 20, 1964)
- any production data
- options/prices -- the car is very original so the options are likely as it sits, but the info/codes as it might appear on the Monroney are unknown
- original ordering/receiving dealer
- anything else (lol)

Anyhow, appreciate anyinfo, contacts or pointers you all might have. He has a blank Monroney sticker so the hope is if we can determine the right info I'll 'chop it onto the sticker for him ...that last part will be the easiest -lol

:tiphat2:

Joe G
12-07-2012, 04:13 AM
The Marti reports andthe Eminger invoices don't seem to cover the first few years of Mustang.


Yep, all that stuff was dumped for the first few years before someone started saving the tapes starting w/ the '67 MY info.

When I was on the classic mustang forums years ago this was probably the most asked question - and the answer was always the same. "You're screwed."

:giggle:

The Bone
12-07-2012, 12:22 PM
On the date code the first 2 numbers represent the date the car was built and the letter represents the month. Its on the data plate on the door.I have a book with some of the information Post up the numbers on the vehicle certification tag.

68fastback
12-07-2012, 05:01 PM
Thanks, Art ...I'll try to get that info from him when he gets home today.

68fastback
12-07-2012, 05:06 PM
Yep, all that stuff was dumped for the first few years before someone started saving the tapes starting w/ the '67 MY info.

When I was on the classic mustang forums years ago this was probably the most asked question - and the answer was always the same. "You're screwed."

:giggle:

lol ...yeah, if Lois Eminger hadn't saved the '68-up build/invoice sheets there'd be nothing since Ford was throwing it all out back when <sigh>

Carnut
12-07-2012, 07:11 PM
It is possible that you may have discovered the little known Shelby GT 250. There was only one built and was supposed to have gone to Europe for the racing circuit there. It was equipped with a McCulloch supercharger requiring the substitution of a 4 speed manual transmission and 9 inch rear end. Special prototype engine bay reinforcement was also provided

So if your buddy's car is still equipped this way, he may have a valuable car on his hands.

Then again.........

68fastback
12-08-2012, 03:21 AM
lol ...likely not ...was that sausage powered? :shades:

The Bone
12-10-2012, 11:44 AM
Dan what did you find out?

68fastback
12-10-2012, 06:23 PM
He said he would get the info but hasn't gotten back to me yet. I'll nudge him if I don't hear in another day or so.

68fastback
12-12-2012, 10:48 PM
Ok, here's what I got from him:

Body 65A
Color 3
Trim 86
Date 30F
DSO 13
Axle 3
Trans 1


Here's my best decode but I could not find an 86-trim code or a 1-trans code ...any ideas? I think the "86" is really "36" (easy to confuse) and I suspect Trans=1 is the basic 3-spd manual.

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Body:

65ACoupe/standard interior



Color:

3 = Poppy Red (sounds like originalpaint!!)



Trim:

Don'trecognize the "86" Trim code. The problem is the "8" in the first digit. Maybe
it's "36"? If so:

36= Black Vinyl / Black Trim / Bench (which seems to match the
car??)



Date:

I'm not aware of an F month code for 1965, but if I back off the letters a month at a time
from January of 1965 (which is "N"), then 30F would be June 30th of 1964 -- which is totally
consistent with my original manufacture estimate based on VIN sequence number), so I'm
thinking it's almost certainly June 30, 1964 build date.



DSO (Ford district sales
office):

13 =New York City (local car!!)



Axle(ratio):

3= 3.20:1 standard (non-locking) differential



Transmission:

Uncertainwhat "1" is. My guess is 3-speed manual. Since the car seems all original if
that's what it is then that's what "1" must be -lol

The Bone
12-13-2012, 12:17 PM
86 is standard black vinyl and trans code 1 is 3 spd. If it was special built than the order number would appear in the DSO.

68fastback
12-13-2012, 03:56 PM
86 is standard black vinyl and trans code 1 is 3 spd. If it was special built than the order number would appear in the DSO.

Thanks, Art! :tiphat2: ...that's great info ...I'll pass it along to him.

Does my interpretation of the date code seem correct to you?

You must have a secret decoder ring! ;-)

The Bone
12-14-2012, 11:35 AM
Every thing else is correct. I have a book that i got a while ago. It covers 64 1/2 through 93 m/y cars.It has all the information on number matching cars for Mustang. I need to get one for newer Mustangs to cover the GT500.
If anyone wants some information just ank