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Gr8snkbite
05-07-2013, 11:56 PM
Folks,

Im current conducting a review and need your support...over the course of the next few days when you come on the site i need you to pay attention to page loading times..i.e.

1. Time how long it takes for the main page to load after logging in (after clicking the log in button)...

2. Time how long it takes for pages to load, when moving from thread to tread

3. Time how long it takes to load notifications page to view PMs

4. Time how long it takes for page to load after clicking "submit" to add a new post


Just post your info in here please.

Thanks....:tiphat2:

68fastback
05-08-2013, 01:48 AM
PMs take a long time -- often 20-40 seconds.

Most threads load acceptably: 2-10 seconds, tho some threads take much longer (30 seconds or more) ...and it doesn't seem to matter how many times you try a slow therad, but later the same day it may not be slow and another one may be slow.

I'll try to be more conscious of specific times but what I've noticed is that load times for threads are quite variable whereas PMs always seem to take longer.

I stay logged-in (I use "remember me") so haven't noticed log-in times.

Tommy Gun
05-08-2013, 02:13 AM
Folks,

Im current conducting a review and need your support...over the course of the next few days when you come on the site i need you to pay attention to page loading times..i.e.

1. Time how long it takes for the main page to load after logging in (after clicking the log in button)...

2. Time how long it takes for pages to load, when moving from thread to tread

3. Time how long it takes to load notifications page to view PMs

4. Time how long it takes for page to load after clicking "submit" to add a new post


Just post your info in here please.

Thanks....:tiphat2:



What do you mean in 2 "...from thread to tread" ?

It's taking me a long time to find tread on this forum. :look:

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68fastback
05-08-2013, 02:37 AM
Just opened a bunch of threads and all loaded very fast ...under 3 seconds for the longest.

...just opened PMs and it took 18 secs ...a bit faster than usual.

Gr8snkbite
05-08-2013, 03:01 AM
yea, i notice going into PMs takes longer to load as well....say for replying to posts....though the more i go thru the site, the faster pages load...but did get some feedback from KH tonight...

Cobra Drifter
05-08-2013, 04:04 PM
The only delays I have been getting is going to "Settings" page as its bookmarked so I go directly there and my login credientials are set to Remember Me so no login needed.
Settings takes about 30 seconds minimum on my first visit of the site for the day or within a few hours

Tommy Gun
05-08-2013, 07:18 PM
:waiting2:




lol

Cobra Drifter
05-08-2013, 11:18 PM
:waiting:

Gr8snkbite
05-09-2013, 12:16 AM
:waiting:

:hey2:

Tommy Gun
05-09-2013, 01:54 AM
:spitcopy:

Tommy Gun
05-09-2013, 01:55 AM
The last couple days it has been loading pages really quick.


I don't know about PM's though because I have no friends here who PM me.

Sssnake08
05-09-2013, 02:16 AM
The last couple days it has been loading pages really quick.


I don't know about PM's though because I have no friends here who PM me.

:violin::violin::sad2:

Joe G
05-09-2013, 02:22 AM
:violin::violin::sad2:
:goodpost:



He doesn't PM me, so I don't PM him.

Tommy Gun
05-09-2013, 02:25 AM
Yep

Joe G
05-09-2013, 02:30 AM
:spitcopy:

Cobra Drifter
05-09-2013, 04:29 AM
The last couple days it has been loading pages really quick.


I don't know about PMS though because I have no friends here who PM me.:goodpost:



He doesn't PM me, so I don't PM him.

Maybe he has pms? :look:

Tommy Gun
05-09-2013, 09:49 AM
I do


Nice thread

Highwayman
05-10-2013, 02:03 AM
This is why he doesn't know what BdCH, BCH or a RCH is, it can only be explained in a PM off of the forum and he doesn't do PMs.

68fastback
05-10-2013, 03:54 AM
:logical: :giggle:

Cobra Drifter
05-10-2013, 04:55 PM
Site seems faster today

68fastback
05-10-2013, 05:37 PM
yeah, pretty quick here too!

Orf
05-10-2013, 05:59 PM
Site seems faster today

Did Keith send you the description of what KH found as a potential problem?

Tommy Gun
05-10-2013, 08:34 PM
Did Keith send you the description of what KH found as a potential problem?


He doesn't share. :look:

Cobra Drifter
05-10-2013, 08:41 PM
Did Keith send you the description of what KH found as a potential problem?

Yea and I replied to him but I dont think anything was done yet the sites performance has improved. I wonder if KH found something and passed the buck as not their issue but went ahead and secretely fied it :look:



:haha:

Gr8snkbite
05-10-2013, 08:59 PM
Seems faster, but i guess its hit n miss....haven't forwarded the data to vB yet...got swamped the last few days, but am submitting a ticket this evening with the info. I do however think we should look at doing the next software upgrade soon.

Where's Joker...:trouble:


And i do share.....:trouble:

Cobra Drifter
05-10-2013, 09:04 PM
The software upgrade really wont fix an issue with the database performance unless it was a known bug. It goes under that good old suggestion of rebooting your computer to fix any computer issue lol

Gr8snkbite
05-10-2013, 09:09 PM
true, but it was recommended by KH, since the upgrade may fix certain bugs that are contained in the software...however, i'm open...i gage it on how often this has been happening, what changed, and what to fix it...we shall see..

Cobra Drifter
05-10-2013, 09:14 PM
There is a Fix List that is posted with each version. If nothing in the fix list looks/sounds like it would help then it wouldnt be required to install to fix the performance issue as it could be adding an extra variable of presenting new bugs

Gr8snkbite
05-10-2013, 10:44 PM
There is a Fix List that is posted with each version. If nothing in the fix list looks/sounds like it would help then it wouldnt be required to install to fix the performance issue as it could be adding an extra variable of presenting new bugs

copy that good to know...

Tommy Gun
05-10-2013, 10:46 PM
Seems faster, but i guess its hit n miss....haven't forwarded the data to vB yet...got swamped the last few days, but am submitting a ticket this evening with the info. I do however think we should look at doing the next software upgrade soon.

Where's Joker...:trouble:


And i do share.....:trouble:

How about an Admin thread so We Admin can share what is happening?

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Cobra Drifter
05-10-2013, 11:27 PM
How about an Admin thread so We Admin can share what is happening?

.

But you dont share




:hide:

Tommy Gun
05-11-2013, 03:15 AM
But you dont share




:hide:



I beg to differ!


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Tommy Gun
05-11-2013, 03:16 AM
:popcorn:

68fastback
05-11-2013, 03:59 AM
:headscratch: huh?

Tommy Gun
05-11-2013, 04:07 AM
:headscratch: huh?



:PostForAdmin:

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Highwayman
05-11-2013, 12:34 PM
It is painfully slow again this morning

Gr8snkbite
05-11-2013, 12:53 PM
kind of loaded fast for me...

Orf
05-11-2013, 01:47 PM
It is painfully slow again this morning


kind of loaded fast for me...

Hit and miss for me. Sometimes fast, sometimes painfully slow.

Cobra Drifter
05-11-2013, 03:17 PM
Its slow again this morning for me

68fastback
05-11-2013, 05:05 PM
...yep, me too.

5-10 sec to open a thread; 15-40 seconds to make or edit a post.

68fastback
05-11-2013, 05:09 PM
...just took 95 seconds to just open THIS (http://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?5717-What-Did-You-Do-Today&p=278458#post278458) thread

[edit:] ...yet if I now click on that link it opens almost instantly ...weird.

[edit:] ...and just too 84 seconds to post the above edit ^ ^ ^

Joe G
05-12-2013, 12:01 AM
Quick for me right now, but PM's open slowly.

Cobra Drifter
05-12-2013, 01:15 PM
The site is super quick this morning

68fastback
05-12-2013, 05:30 PM
TMI :hiding:


...oh, your car?


...oh, the site!! lol ;-)

Cobra Drifter
05-12-2013, 05:35 PM
:ban:





:grin:

Tommy Gun
05-12-2013, 07:09 PM
:spitcopy:

68fastback
05-13-2013, 04:37 AM
:innocent:

Shelby-Don
05-13-2013, 11:38 AM
slow between topics for me this morning

Alloy Dave
05-15-2013, 03:38 AM
Fast today for me.

Cobra Drifter
05-15-2013, 03:41 AM
Slow for me today

68fastback
05-15-2013, 07:57 PM
Yep, me too ...some take nearly a minute ...others 5-10 sec.

68fastback
05-16-2013, 04:11 PM
This thread just loaded quickly but all others have been so slow over the last 15 minutes that I gave up (still spinning after two minutes) with only one successfully loading in that time. I'll try later this afternoon.

68fastback
05-16-2013, 04:14 PM
Seems to humming along now -- go figure.

Orf
05-16-2013, 05:35 PM
Did MC send the info from KH to CD?

Gr8snkbite
05-16-2013, 11:57 PM
yes, waiting response and resolution

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 01:49 AM
How long is KH going to monitor the situation before they fix it?

Orf
05-17-2013, 02:07 AM
How long is KH going to monitor the situation before they fix it?

My take is KH isn't going to do anything. Their position is an update to a new vB version *should* fix it.

Thats just my understanding. I realize that I probably got it wrong, though.

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 02:18 AM
Well upgrading isnt really going to fix it. It "may" but I'd doubt it. If they are saying its a dabase issue of it not using memory then its a database configuration issue most liely which an upgrade of the vB software wont touch.
Somehow the database server settings changed and we need to find out when it started and if it was a direct result from an upgrade of vB.

Once we know those then we will know what the cause is and how to fix it.

Orf
05-17-2013, 02:23 AM
Well upgrading isnt really going to fix it. It "may" but I'd doubt it. If they are saying its a dabase issue of it not using memory then its a database configuration issue most liely which an upgrade of the vB software wont touch.
Somehow the database server settings changed and we need to find out when it started and if it was a direct result from an upgrade of vB.

Once we know those then we will know what the cause is and how to fix it.

What do you mean "we".

You lost me after "but I'd doubt it".

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:23 AM
My take is KH isn't going to do anything. Their position is an update to a new vB version *should* fix it.

Thats just my understanding. I realize that I probably got it wrong, though.


Where do you see this information, because I still see nothing? Or is that how it is now?

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 02:29 AM
What do you mean "we".

You lost me after "but I'd doubt it".

Isnt this the issue where KH said its because our database isnt using memory and instead writting everything to temporary files on teh hard drive?

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:33 AM
I really don't understand why we are having problems when other sites that I am on w/ hundreds of thousands of members and no fees are running flawlessly???

Really! What are we doing wrong??

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Orf
05-17-2013, 02:34 AM
Where do you see this information, because I still see nothing? Or is that how it is now?

You really need to stop with the "poor, oppressed me" attitude. Nobody is hiding anything from you. Maybe if you didn't jump to wild conclusions, and suspect everyone is conspiring against you, people wouldn't have to think twice about sharing information.

Not trying to be mean, just speaking frankly.

This was in a PM, describing what KH found:


For some reason, your mysql databases do not seem to be using any memory whatsoever. This means that your mysql queries are writing tmp tables to disk, which is highly inefficient. The slow downs on your site are due to the delay from having to write the tables out to disk, perform whatever action you're requesting, then write any changes made back to the original tables in the database. You'll need to consult with VBulletin's support to see if there's any way to fix this. Upgrading to the latest version may help if you're not already running it. Upgrading to the latest version of Mysql can also help with performance.

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:35 AM
I guess I'm not in Admin PM's then either.

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 02:36 AM
I really don't understand why we are having problems when other sites that I am on w/ hundreds of thousands of members and no fees are running flawlessly???

Really! What are we doing wrong??

.

The difference between us and big sites is that they have MAJOR hardware thrown at theirs to support the loads. We are running on a Virtual Private Server which is just a divided slot on a single server which may have up to 20 divided slots all sharing the server but isolated from one another.

the difference is ours running less than $100 a month for the VPS server and theirs costing hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month for one or many dedicated powerful servers

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:36 AM
You really need to stop with the "poor, oppressed me" attitude. Nobody is hiding anything from you. Maybe if you didn't jump to wild conclusions, and suspect everyone is conspiring against you, people wouldn't have to think twice about sharing information.

Not trying to be mean, just speaking frankly.

This was in a PM, describing what KH found:



I want to be part of what happens and help where I can, but how can I when no one gives me access to help out?

Orf
05-17-2013, 02:38 AM
I want to be part of what happens and help where I can, but how can I when no one gives me access to help out?

You have the same access I do.

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:38 AM
The difference between us and big sites is that they have MAJOR hardware thrown at theirs to support the loads. We are running on a Virtual Private Server which is just a divided slot on a single server which may have up to 20 divided slots all sharing the server but isolated from one another.



Can you please PM me and explain this? If it is something we can buy and be more in line with the times I would like to be able to consider it and see if it is feasible?

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Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 02:38 AM
I want to be part of what happens and help where I can, but how can I when no one gives me access to help out?

This is pretty much the access of sharing info in these public threads. Info in pm's isnt really much different. Keith even posted a quote from one of said pm's.

Orf
05-17-2013, 02:39 AM
I guess I'm not in Admin PM's then either.

It was a reply to a question I posed. Not a group discussion.

i suggested getting CD involved, as it was way beyond my knowledge base.

Orf
05-17-2013, 02:41 AM
Can you please PM me and explain this? If it is something we can buy and be more in line with the times I would like to be able to consider it and see if it is feasible?

Not a one time purchase. It comes down to how much do you want to spend each month. We are barely making ends meet as it is.

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:42 AM
This is way too confusing.

Seems like a lack of communication.

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 02:44 AM
:shrug: Seems fine to me.

Tommy Gun
05-17-2013, 02:45 AM
Carry on.


Don't mind me then, sorry.

Orf
05-17-2013, 02:45 AM
This is way too confusing.

Seems like a lack of communication.

More like a lack of understanding. At least from me. I'm not an IT guy. I know a few software packages pretty well, but none that deal with web stuff.

And I don't have the time or inclination to learn about vB.

68fastback
05-17-2013, 05:11 PM
Bill, what CD was saying is that we pay a logical slice (a virtual machine or virtual private server) on a physical server (the physical machine/computer). Big forum sites have whole, dedicated, physical sever(s) running their forum site and pay accordingly (as CD pointed out) ...we have a virtual slice on a physical server that's shared with other virtual servers/applications and therefore pay much less.


That said, I'm not sure I'm buying KH's explanation in the context of what we're seeing. My sense is that the slowdowns are largely caused by other activity (other virtual private servers) on the same physical server we're on. When I clicked into the site today (about 30 minutes ago) threads were taking well over a minute to load (some 2.5 minutes). Then, all of a sudden, all threads were loading in about 3 seconds. The erratic and abrupt nature of such changes implies dynamic [physical] server loading changes, not software bottlenecks on our VPN. Those dynamics are likely choking some physical resource -- a bottleneck -- which might be the CPU (unlikely to be the CPU for long periods like a minute) or disk (much more likely, but not likely due to our applications disk usage). Discs are shared reources too and are much easier to 'clog' when other I/O -ntensive virtual servers on the same physical server are pushing high I/O rates.

While I accept their assessment that our VB may be queing on disk vs using memory can and will slow things down somewhat, that would slow things down rather consistently and modestly -- might double response time during heavy usage by us, but in no way can account for the dramatic shifts in reponse we're seeing from a couple/few seconds to a couple/few minutes, imho So while I accept their assessment as valid I do not accept it as the cause of the erratic response dynamics we're actually seeing.

CD is your sense similar on this?

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 05:27 PM
I couldnt have said it better myself and agree exactly with it all. If it was our issue it would be consistantly bad, not intermitantly good and bad. Today it took over a minute to get to my Settings page but then after each page loaded fine. Probably like a cache'ing issue. If their VPS partioning osftware isnt working right (maybe they upgraded theirs recently) and now we are having issues related from it. I think we should hold off updating any of our vB software as not to complicate the issue of identifying the issue. If we do like they say and update then they may say that it wasnt fixed in teh softwre and to wait for further updates etc. Probably a stalling tactic while they get their server software fixed or upgraded with a patch lol

68fastback
05-17-2013, 06:13 PM
I couldnt have said it better myself and agree exactly with it all. If it was our issue it would be consistantly bad, not intermitantly good and bad. Today it took over a minute to get to my Settings page but then after each page loaded fine. Probably like a cache'ing issue. If their VPS partioning osftware isnt working right (maybe they upgraded theirs recently) and now we are having issues related from it. I think we should hold off updating any of our vB software as not to complicate the issue of identifying the issue. If we do like they say and update then they may say that it wasnt fixed in teh softwre and to wait for further updates etc. Probably a stalling tactic while they get their server software fixed or upgraded with a patch lol

Could be stalling or they may simply know thay have no way to really prevent another VPS from occasionally spiking I/O (or whatever key resource) usage ...could be we share a physical server with a VPS that has a much bigger slice and pays a lot more so they may not be keen to address it either -- or several that tend to spike I/O. The fact that they zeroed-in on disc queuing mght also indicate they know it's another VPS but if we didn't depend on disk I/O (vs memeory) theother VPS(es) would not affect us as much :shades: ...that would be my guess. Of course their virtual machine algorithms are supposed to more equiatably 'distribute' resources but, as a matter of practice, dynamic large resource demand shifts can frustrate even the best VM resource sharing techniques.

I wonder if VB migth have insight on how to exploit memory vs disc queuing on the release we're already on ...that would seem to be something that many VB customers would be interested in, and may just be some setting changes in their software vs needing to upgrade, since it would seem to be a durable consideration for any VB forum site on any VB release running on a VPS ...likely many if not most of their forum software customers.

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 07:02 PM
I think our next logical step is to get vB involved so we have the ammo to fight back with KH if needed.
Darn freakin really slooooow today. :(

Gr8snkbite
05-17-2013, 08:01 PM
I think our next logical step is to get vB involved so we have the ammo to fight back with KH if needed.
Darn freakin really slooooow today. :(

vB responded and asked if we have downloaded the latest version (5.0.2) and MySQL yet. I replied nope, and asked if this would fix the issues we are experiencing...waiting for response...

Cobra Drifter
05-17-2013, 08:56 PM
vB 5.x is a COMPLETELY new major upgrade. Remember going from 3.x to 4.x well its the same major breaking change. We would need to verify and upgrade all plugins and custom code and sute the red and blue skins wont apply anymore either.

I dont think its the solution as if it was, then every other 4.x site would be doing the same. Im concerned

Gr8snkbite
05-17-2013, 11:48 PM
Copy that..just passing on their response...not buying it myself...

The Bone
05-18-2013, 12:38 PM
very slow today Just saying

Gr8snkbite
05-18-2013, 01:26 PM
vB response today from my questions...

"delays like this mostly are server issues and the server configuration should be checked".


i've gone back to KH with vB responses and shared increased frustration....:mad:

Tommy Gun
05-18-2013, 01:55 PM
Time to ventilate 'em! :gun:

Gr8snkbite
05-18-2013, 02:33 PM
:haha:

admin
05-18-2013, 03:52 PM
Reply moved to appropriate forum thx Dan

CD..see your PMs

68fastback
05-18-2013, 04:41 PM
[QUOTEMoved[/QUOTE]

Disk space and memory usage on average could well look perfectly normal since neither of those would necessarily reflect dynamic high I/O rates (not a disc space issue) by another VPS on same physical server.

Just realized this thread is in public web space and some of the above info (that's our SU virtual private sever addess according to WhoIs) possibly ought not be web-public? ...just a thought ...there's just too many weirdos out there -lol.

Gr8snkbite
05-18-2013, 08:44 PM
[QUOTEMoved

Disk space and memory usage on average could well look perfectly normal since neither of those would necessarily reflect dynamic high I/O rates (not a disc space issue) by another VPS on same physical server.

Just realized this thread is in public web space and some of the above info (that's our SU virtual private sever addess according to WhoIs) possibly ought not be web-public? ...just a thought ...there's just too many weirdos out there -lol.[/QUOTE]

due to sensitivity of the data, its moved....:tiphat2:

68fastback
05-19-2013, 12:44 AM
:wtg:

...my irst access this evening about seven minutes ago took 4 min 25 sec to load :faint: ...a new record -- but that's probably because I usually give up after a couple minutes and try again later.

I then opened five threads one after another (in separate tabs) and all loaded in under 8 seconds except for "time to reload the mod budget" which took about 25 sec.

---

...test.

---

I then opened edit to post the word "test" above and it took only 1 sec to open it and about 2 secs to post it.

---

Then I opened edit again so I could post above sentence and it took 23 seconds to open the edit panel and it loaded very odd: nothing for about 20 sec, then 3 seconds of the edit panel in an odd format which then switched to the normal edit pane ...had the distinct feel of getting tiny time slices of a constrained resource ...but dunno which resource.

---

Saving (posting) the above sentence-edit took 15 sec.

68fastback
05-19-2013, 01:19 AM
Just took 75 seconds to open the "what did you do today thread" but only took 3 seconds to open this one :doh2:

Tommy Gun
05-19-2013, 01:27 AM
Mine is working fine.

wonder why at times it effects different people.

Joe G
05-19-2013, 01:38 AM
Was taking a few minutes to open some threads for me earlier... but now very quick. No rhyme or reason - not many people online, so doubt it's our fault.

68fastback
05-19-2013, 01:46 AM
Mine is working fine.

wonder why at times it effects different people.


Probably just a function of who is actually posting when it's slow

68fastback
05-19-2013, 01:47 AM
Was taking a few minutes to open some threads for me earlier... but now very quick. No rhyme or reason - not many people online, so doubt it's our fault.

Exactly ...if it was us it would track with OUR activity.

Orf
05-19-2013, 02:28 AM
Probably just a function of who is actually posting when it's slow

I've noticed that the time it takes to open a thread is proportional (more or less) to the number of pages in that thread.

68fastback
05-19-2013, 02:43 AM
I've noticed that the time it takes to open a thread is proportional (more or less) to the number of pages in that thread.

I thought I noticed that too but then sometimes not.

Also, there's no reason I can think of for the software to cache more than what can be scrolled (10 post page default) since it has to reload if you click to another/next page anyway ...but who knows?

This thread just took about 15 seconds an donly 96 posts. Sometimes the giant "what did you do today" thread loads fast ...it's weird -lol

Tommy Gun
05-19-2013, 10:30 AM
Yes that thread is weird. :shades:

The Bone
05-19-2013, 01:57 PM
I was on at midnight here in ca now this morning it is faster not the same as fast but much improved. This site is the only one that i visit that does this

68fastback
05-19-2013, 05:28 PM
Yes that thread is weird. :shades:

:lol:

Cobra Drifter
05-19-2013, 05:52 PM
Site took a long time to load my Settings page. Its my bookmarked link.

This is what I knew vB would say and what KH would say. Passing teh buck. However with the next contact with KH could it be relayed that we have not had a software upgrade in many months and lately we started experiencing the performance dedgradation. So this shows that nothing has changed with the software or even plugins. so the only variable is the server. This is 100% a KH issue. If we havent changed anything and stuff starts happening then well only one possibility

Checking my pm

Cobra Drifter
05-19-2013, 05:52 PM
Site took a long time to load my Settings page. Its my bookmarked link.

This is what I knew vB would say and what KH would say. Passing teh buck. However with the next contact with KH could it be relayed that we have not had a software upgrade in many months and lately we started experiencing the performance dedgradation. So this shows that nothing has changed with the software or even plugins. so the only variable is the server. This is 100% a KH issue. If we havent changed anything and stuff starts happening then well only one possibility

Checking my pm

Cobra Drifter
05-19-2013, 05:58 PM
Also got that "Are you sure you want to leave this page" when posting my above reply. Performance is bad today.

As for large threads: performance is the same as small threads. The only real difference is if the thread's page to be displayed has large amounts of 3rd party linked images like photobucket pics in teh page as the delay will also come from loading those pics.
The way vB displays threads is to use math to determine which posts to display and how many pages are total in the thread.

121 post thread with the default display setting of 40 posts per page:
121 / 40 = 4 pages
When clicking on the thread title it will display the first page of 40 posts
When clicking on the last page it displays 1 post on page 4.

So there is only a range of 1-40 posts that it would ever have to query the database to display at a single time.

68fastback
05-19-2013, 06:24 PM
Also got that "Are you sure you want to leave this page" when posting my above reply. Performance is bad today.

As for large threads: performance is the same as small threads. The only real difference is if the thread's page to be displayed has large amounts of 3rd party linked images like photobucket pics in teh page as the delay will also come from loading those pics.
The way vB displays threads is to use math to determine which posts to display and how many pages are total in the thread.

121 post thread with the default display setting of 40 posts per page:
121 / 40 = 4 pages
When clicking on the thread title it will display the first page of 40 posts
When clicking on the last page it displays 1 post on page 4.

So there is only a range of 1-40 posts that it would ever have to query the database to display at a single time.

I get that too quite a bit ...your instinct is "stay on this page" but, ironically, you have to select "leave this page" to actually get it to post. I suspect that's a VB/software incompatibility with the Browser vs a performance issue ...what do you suspect, CD? However it does seem (uncertain) to do it more when the site is slow ...which is strange.

Tommy Gun
05-19-2013, 06:25 PM
..... This site is the only one that i visit that does this


That's why I think it's a conspiracy. :rofl3:

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Cobra Drifter
05-19-2013, 06:43 PM
I get that too quite a bit ...your instinct is "stay on this page" but, ironically, you have to select "leave this page" to actually get it to post. I suspect that's a VB/software incompatibility with the Browser vs a performance issue ...what do you suspect, CD? However it does seem (uncertain) to do it more when the site is slow ...which is strange.

Correct because the page hasnt got the notification from the database that an insert/update has occured. This is directly related to performance issues.

Cobra Drifter
05-19-2013, 06:44 PM
That's why I think it's a conspiracy. :rofl3:

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Could be the other forums you visit are not on KH or the same particular physical server that we are on

Tommy Gun
05-19-2013, 07:47 PM
Could be the other forums you visit are not on KH or the same particular physical server that we are on


I think KH is way over priced if we really pay what I'm told we pay. :faint:

I know some other sites are running on 1/5 the budget we are.

Cobra Drifter
05-19-2013, 08:19 PM
Well maybe they are smaller or their traffic is lower.

Gr8snkbite
05-19-2013, 08:35 PM
Also got that "Are you sure you want to leave this page" when posting my above reply. Performance is bad today.

As for large threads: performance is the same as small threads. The only real difference is if the thread's page to be displayed has large amounts of 3rd party linked images like photobucket pics in teh page as the delay will also come from loading those pics.
The way vB displays threads is to use math to determine which posts to display and how many pages are total in the thread.

121 post thread with the default display setting of 40 posts per page:
121 / 40 = 4 pages
When clicking on the thread title it will display the first page of 40 posts
When clicking on the last page it displays 1 post on page 4.

So there is only a range of 1-40 posts that it would ever have to query the database to display at a single time.

I got that response a few times as well, and attribute it the amount of time it takes for the post to load once submit is clicked...

Gr8snkbite
05-19-2013, 08:36 PM
But it's not often...only intermittently...

68fastback
05-20-2013, 01:09 AM
Correct because the page hasnt got the notification from the database that an insert/update has occured. This is directly related to performance issues.

Ah, that makes sense! ...:tiphat2:

Cobra Drifter
05-20-2013, 03:46 AM
Just got a database error when trying to load the Settings page:


MySQL Error : Lost connection to MySQL server during query


This is like a timeout error because the performance is so slooooow

Shelby-Don
05-20-2013, 11:40 AM
the time it takes to load a thread seems to be linked to the number of pages and content of those pages. The more pages and more pictures within the pages the longer it takes to load. The "What did you do today" thread took me several minutes where this thread loaded in 5 seconds.

Cobra Drifter
05-20-2013, 04:22 PM
Its the opposite for me.

Joe G
05-20-2013, 07:24 PM
Takes minutes to open PM's. :nonono:

Gr8snkbite
05-20-2013, 09:53 PM
Just got a database error when trying to load the Settings page:



This is like a timeout error because the performance is so slooooow

And yet you never texted last night...:nonono:

Sssnake08
05-21-2013, 12:49 AM
What did you do today just took 1:45 to open for me...:doh2:

68fastback
05-21-2013, 01:25 AM
...the hosting company provided some insight and suggestions today for optimizing the software (VB/SQL) but that will take some time look into and follow-up on. We'll just have to be patient while that happens.

It was actually pretty quick loading for me this evening (since about 15 minutes ago) but was quite slow earlier this afternoon.

Gr8snkbite
05-21-2013, 01:37 AM
Seems initial loading is slow, but once in and navigating a bit, it speeds up....

68fastback
05-21-2013, 01:55 AM
...running fairly quick right now

Cobra Drifter
05-21-2013, 07:16 AM
And yet you never texted last night...:nonono:

I fell asleep :(

Gr8snkbite
05-21-2013, 09:01 PM
:groan:

and last night to....:nonono:

Tommy Gun
05-21-2013, 09:44 PM
:groan:

and last night to....:nonono:


I sleep every night too. :popcorn:


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The Bone
05-23-2013, 03:41 PM
.load time is getting ridiculous. Its been a problem for a long time. The Bone is not amused .

Joe G
05-23-2013, 05:42 PM
The Bone is not amused .
So.... you're not a funny bone? :look:

Gr8snkbite
05-23-2013, 09:07 PM
.load time is getting ridiculous. Its been a problem for a long time. The Bone is not amused .

we are working on it....sorry, but our techy hasn't been here much....:nonono:

Gr8snkbite
05-23-2013, 09:08 PM
:groan:

and last night to....:nonono:

and another night goes by....:nonono:

68fastback
05-24-2013, 02:51 AM
Pretty quick now.

This a.m. was slowest I've seen tho. I tried a couple different threads and gave up after 8 minutes and 10 minutes ...strange.

Tommy Gun
05-24-2013, 10:52 AM
Super quick right now, but I'm not in the big city and probably because no one else is on. :look:

Gr8snkbite
05-24-2013, 09:33 PM
loading pretty quick now....its hit or miss...but still working it....now if CD would ever text me so i can give him the info he needs to pursue this issue further....:nonono:

Cobra Drifter
05-27-2013, 01:37 AM
I will txt you on Monday as Im booked solid with carbon and getting car ready for Autocon this saturday. Vendor booth so shelby needs to be pimpin

68fastback
05-27-2013, 01:38 AM
Site has been better yesterday and today.

Tommy Gun
05-27-2013, 01:39 AM
I will txt you on Monday as Im booked solid with carbon and getting car ready for Autocon this saturday. Vendor booth so shelby needs to be pimpin



So you can make a post, but not send a text? :groan:

Cobra Drifter
05-27-2013, 01:42 AM
Its more like whats the point until I have some free time :p

The Bone
05-27-2013, 11:28 AM
Site is fast today The bone is feeling better
I got your funny bone Joe.LOL

68fastback
05-27-2013, 06:33 PM
Yeah, it's been quick!

...and Joe wants his funny bone back, Art. :sofa: ;-)

Orf
07-17-2013, 01:35 PM
Slow again for me today.

Might be a coincidence, but the last two times I noticed the site running slow was just after I dowloaded the latest backup, and deleted all but the most current from the server. Maybe I'm not doing something right? Don't know why that would be the case. The only folder I deal with is the folder that only contains backup data.

Tommy Gun
07-17-2013, 09:05 PM
It was slow and erratic late yesterday for me and I didn't notice anyone in the ACP, when did you do the backup?

Gr8snkbite
07-18-2013, 12:57 AM
today is the first day i noticed slow loading issues in a long while....server is at 83% capacity, well it was yesterday, guess Orf did the backup hence loading issues...strange indeed....

Orf
07-18-2013, 03:05 AM
It was slow and erratic late yesterday for me and I didn't notice anyone in the ACP, when did you do the backup?

Early this morning.

it isn't done through the ACP. I use FileZilla, and go through a numbered DNS address.

Tommy Gun
07-18-2013, 09:55 AM
Gotcha, thanks.


It would be nice to have a list of things that can actually slow down the site to check on, unless of course there are hundreds of things.

Orf
07-18-2013, 02:03 PM
Gotcha, thanks.


It would be nice to have a list of things that can actually slow down the site to check on, unless of course there are hundreds of things.

Don't look at me. I have no idea what can slow the site down. I'm just the backup guy...

Gr8snkbite
07-18-2013, 08:41 PM
Gotcha, thanks.


It would be nice to have a list of things that can actually slow down the site to check on, unless of course there are hundreds of things.

it could be a host of things to cause slowness...each one unique to any other...back ups is the main...if we dont keep the server storage at lowest point, the server gets none responsive to a degree...

but i think part of the issue may be clearing the cache files as well which can be done thru the ACP. I've talked with joker a number of times about it...as soon as he is off night shift he'll be back to look things over, which should be soon.

other issues with the server and how certain protocols are set up within to help the site run more efficient can plague it...but i think with the past issues we got that resolved...as i said, i have not noticed any slowness since the last report (this thread created then).

Each time there is a specific site issue, a new ticket is generated with KH (first) to resolve, which in almost every case they have, by moving things around in the server (dont ask, its above my level of comprehension).

Just logged in and some pages seem to load as before...i find that not all pages are affected, and in most cases, the first few i click on are slow, but after that, things speed up...which i attribute to cache files being regenerated, much like when you search porn :giggle: its saved for memory to allow the server to load the page faster....

Carnut
07-18-2013, 11:16 PM
Maybe the NSA isn't finished with their updates.

It could happen.

HSURB
07-19-2013, 12:12 AM
This guy is listening to your every call. Baaaa Haaa Haaaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxkcewBEe0

HSURB®

Joe G
07-19-2013, 01:41 AM
Maybe the NSA isn't finished with their updates.

It could happen.

:ninja3:

Tommy Gun
07-19-2013, 01:50 AM
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