Ford offering performance upgrades for 2015-17 Mustangs

[Carnut]

It looks like Ford is finally going to offer performance upgrades similar to past model years. Looks like 3 different upgrades changing parts and software.

Ford Performance Parts has announced emissions-legal performance calibrations for 2015-2017 Mustang GT. For the first time, calibrations are being offered with various levels of hardware to give customers more options and price points.

Read here http://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/media-room/2016/07/power-packs-available-from-ford-performance-parts-for-2015-17-mu.html

[68fastback]

Nice!!

[Joe G]

What's first on your mod list, Mr Nut? :chirp:

[Carnut]

I'm not sure. I've been looking at the Rousch kits too. They seem to offer more bang for the buck and claim 1/3 more power. In any event, I'm not looking at changing the intake manifold, too much and the added power is all at higher rpm and soggy at the bottom. Plus the Rousch kit includes mufflers for a few hundred more.

[68fastback]

Are those Roush units the same as Ford Racing is supplying to Petty for the King Edition 5.0 post-retail offerings (627, 670 and 727HP).

It appears Ford has a special deal with Petty right now but I'd bet those FRPP packages will be offered directly after the 143(?) Petty cars are sold. These FRPP packages on the Petty cars provide substantial engine warranties too (36,000mi) so I'd fully expect that on the FRPP direct-marketed kits too.

[twobjshelbys]

Ford keeps warranty intact, others likely do not.

[68fastback]

Petty offerings do get the Ford warranty so when FRPP offers the same kits directly seems likely they will have same 36K warranty.

[Tommy Gun]

I think the kits are sorta lame, you can buy this stuff on your own and have a local tuner check it out correctly.

Lots of guys have already done the intake, TB and manifold changes.

[Carnut]

I'm just looking at the power upgrade with the tune and cold air package. While a supercharger might be nice, the cost is prohibitive for me now. The Rousch kit adds 30 r.w.hp and 36 torque while the Ford offers 21 (doesn't say engine or rear wheel). But as Tony said, the waranty remains intact with Ford parts. Wishful thinking at this time.

[Carnut]

I think the kits are sorta lame, you can buy this stuff on your own and have a local tuner check it out correctly.

Lots of guys have already done the intake, TB and manifold changes.
Point taken.

[twobjshelbys]

I'm just looking at the power upgrade with the tune and cold air package. While a supercharger might be nice, the cost is prohibitive for me now. The Rousch kit adds 30 r.w.hp and 36 torque while the Ford offers 21 (doesn't say engine or rear wheel). But as Tony said, the waranty remains intact with Ford parts. Wishful thinking at this time.

So here's what GT500 folks did with the Ford Racing kits. Dealer install it to preserve warranty. Get the blower with the CAI. All good - warranty intact.

Then get the aftermarket smaller pulley. You'll need another tune box. You'll likely get different plugs (colder) with more boost so if you get a tuneup be sure to replace with the current plugs not factory.

Didn't you go through this with yours?

Do you guys still have the emissions test centers that use the rolling sort of a dyno with a tailpipe sniffer? If so you'd be golden with almost anybody's third party tune. If you are converting the systems to use the OBDII then beware - many tuners disable the EGR and post-cat O2 sensors so you'll fail "system ready" checks.

[68fastback]

There are folks who have physically modified, then ported and polished their '13/14 GT500's 2.3 SC and lower plenum (i.e. entire path from inlet to head port) such that they are sitting at 800rwHP at 10# of boost on a dead-stock motor -- no cams, no head mods, etc.

It's amazing what happens when you don't just slap on boost using big non-linear crankHP losses to drive it, but actually relieve the engine from wasting so much of it's SC-drive HP, which then is available to generate more HP. Flow = HP. More flow at less pressure = more HP. More flow at less pressure redeploying some of the recouped crank HP for even more flow = even more HP ...and with the lowest engine stress at any given output. Net: more HP with less engine stress = more efficiency.

And you can still pass emissions everywhere -- even in CA (unless using LTHs) and get cruise mileage same or a tad better than stock! It's magical! Of course the downside is it's a long, labor intensive process taking hundreds of hours in various stages to perfect on a given engine (and if you mess it up...) -- but the engine looks 100% stock (except to the most discerning eye) so you wind up with an ultimate 'sleeper' that can dust-off many an unsuspecting bolt-on box-tune weekend warrior :weg:

[Carnut]

So here's what GT500 folks did with the Ford Racing kits. Dealer install it to preserve warranty. Get the blower with the CAI. All good - warranty intact.

Then get the aftermarket smaller pulley. You'll need another tune box. You'll likely get different plugs (colder) with more boost so if you get a tuneup be sure to replace with the current plugs not factory.

Didn't you go through this with yours?

Do you guys still have the emissions test centers that use the rolling sort of a dyno with a tailpipe sniffer? If so you'd be golden with almost anybody's third party tune. If you are converting the systems to use the OBDII then beware - many tuners disable the EGR and post-cat O2 sensors so you'll fail "system ready" checks.

The sniffer is for non-OBD cars, the plug into the diagnostic port to check for DTC's.

[KC BadCat]

the roush cars from ohio are advertised at 727 engine hp.....a guy here in kc got one, and then got the latest roush tune that supposedly would bring it to 780 engine hp. I watched the dyno saturday for this car......best was 573 rwhp........doesn't even line up with the original 727 very well. The guy running the dyno said it was extremely rich up top at wot, and the newest tune seemed to also limit the max rpm lower than factory. From all this, I am guessing that a lot of protection is built into these to provide a warranty.

[68fastback]

Wow! Sounds ridiculously conservative. Even with 15% driveline loss (which is more like 12% in recent years) it would be 617RW.

[twobjshelbys]

The sniffer is for non-OBD cars, the plug into the diagnostic port to check for DTC's.


The "California emissions test", now used in Nevada, is a pure OBDII check. They look for two things:

DCTs. Active codes, ie, "Check Engine Light" is on, is an instant fail. Pending codes depend on what they are.

"System Readiness" - there are 5 or 6 basic systems that have to run. In CA (now, soon to change), and NV (soon to change as they follow CA by one year) you are allowed ONE system not ready, except that the Evap system (gas tank leak test) cannot be excluded. So my car with its funky tune passes with all ready except "Catalyst". I'm told that in 2018 it will have to have all green checks.

If you have a custom tune they are famous for bypassing two things: O2 sensors, especially the after-the-catalyst ones, and the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirc), if you have a non-factory throttle body. My tuner did both to my car. I restored factory tune. They replaced the MAF with a different one with the accufab TB. I had to restore both factory throttle body and MAF to get the car to RUN and finally it got a passing EGR. That leaves me with the catalyst test, which may be merely driving in colder temps with more miles but I already put 500 miles driving Vegas freeways and streets to get just one red check. I'm going to put the whole thing back to factory when I get the airbag recalls. F*** GT Guys.

[Carnut]

Some one has finally tested the mew power pack 2 on a dyno. Assuming a very conservative drivetrain power loss of 10 percent, it looks like you will get upwards of 465 hp and 475 ft/lbs of peak horsepower at the flywheel. The rwhp increase at 5100 rpm was 50 hp and similar lower end with the torque.

Read here----------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-g6eqWqCM

[68fastback]

Impressive! ...when are you putting it on? :biggrin:

[Carnut]

So I found the Ford Racing Power Pack 2 at Levittown Ford (on line) for $603 plus shipping at $20. Huge discount from list price. The kit includes the GT350 cold air induction, the larger GT350 throttle body, the Pro Cal interface and a tune. It is 50 state emissions legal. Awaiting product from Ford which is expected by end of year. I am trying to figure out to hide it from the Mrs.

[68fastback]

So I found the Ford Racing Power Pack 2 at Levittown Ford (on line) for $603 plus shipping at $20. Huge discount from list price. The kit includes the GT350 cold air induction, the larger GT350 throttle body, the Pro Cal interface and a tune. It is 50 state emissions legal. Awaiting product from Ford which is expected by end of year. I am trying to figure out to hide it from the Mrs.


Sweet!!!!

Maybe you can ship it to your son's place :weg:

Levittown LI ...old timer that we bought our property from in 1986 (where we now live) lived in Levittown and was an original owner there ...Levittown was the first large-scale planned community in the US -- a breakthrough concept right after WWII offering small economical homes to the masses getting married and starting families after returning back from the war.

[The Bone]

Bill O'Reilly and John Stewart lived there, Now Dan did also LOL

[68fastback]

:lol: ...how about that!

:but: I didn't live there