2020 Corona/Covid19 Virus...

[onecrazydog]

Or a cave #raisingHand


Yup, now who's laughing eh!!

[onecrazydog]

Nah.... lol




This whole scenario has been blown totally out of proportion by the mainstream media, and the dems... I wonder why?? They should all be in jail...

[68fastback]

Yup, pretty well 100% success rate, and it's cheap... Big Pharma doesn't want you knowing that though...

The whole treatment regimen for 5 days is under $25. India is sending us something like 30M HCQ standard doses and I think Israel has already sent a large number.

[68fastback]

This whole scenario has been blown totally out of proportion by the mainstream media, and the dems... I wonder why?? They should all be in jail...

Yeah, it's just sneakier or snarkier now because they have to try to nix Trump without making it look too partisan :rofl3: and they've shown they're not so good at that -lol And while the Trumpster is not fooled one but I have to wonder about much of the general population, tho the prior bullsh!t (Mueller, Impeachment, etc) has, if anything, made some more skeptical of Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer and others, I think ...I hope!

[Tommy Gun]

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[Tommy Gun]

I heard one doc say the ventilator death rate is 80%!

That's why early diagnosis and immediate HCQ+Azith+Zinc is so important, imo.


Is this stuff on the shelf or by prescription?


(Normally on the shelf, I’m sure not right now.)


Edit: I see that two of those are prescription, thought maybe they were a drug found in something on the shelf

[HSURB]

Here is another interactive site to track by country, state, etc.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

We'll get a vaccine for coronavirus but not TDS

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-town-hall-trump-derangement-syndrome-question

[68fastback]

Is this stuff on the shelf or by prescription?


(Normally on the shelf, I’m sure not right now.)


Edit: I see that two of those are prescription, thought maybe they were a drug found in something on the shelf

Prescription (except for the zinc). We have tens of millions of doses in hand and more coming ..and it's dirt cheap. Trump has forced FDA to clear he way and begin distributn toall mjo drg outlets so it's in place once FDA 'blesses' a specific regimen.

CVS/Caremark (I called them) said there is no shortage of HCQ. We've already told our doc that's what we want, God forbid, and I printed out the 5-day regimen (posted in this thread and post #1) to make sure we get the correct scripts from him (or whoever!) if, God forbid, we test positive after expressing symptoms. At our age every day delayed is one day closer to hospitalization and likelihood of a ventilator, etc.

If we were younger, self-sequestering after a positive diagnosis in concert with regular doctor contact to watch for advancing symptoms is the official CDC recommendation as I understand it but, over 60 and/or w/pre-conditions, that's neigh to a death sentence after 5-days of fighting it if you 'guessed' wrong and w/o treatment.

[HSURB]

We'll get a vaccine for coronavirus but not TDS

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-town-hall-trump-derangement-syndrome-question


That post just made my day.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

:wtg: ...kikkin' azz and taking names! :mafiasmilie:

[onecrazydog]

FROM THE NUMBERS: Only 150 Americans to Date With No Pre-Existing Conditions Have Died From the Coronavirus or 0.9%
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/numbers-150-americans-date-no-pre-existing-conditions-died-coronavirus-0-9/

[68fastback]

That's great news!

But it could also be somewhat misleading for those who believe they are otherwise heathy -- because they're finding that the "majority" of people admitted to the hospital w/ Covid-19 and who believed they had no pre-existing conditions and died, were actually found to have un-diagnosed pre-existing conditions. How big a majority I have not been able to determine. That is a stat I'd really like to know. Majority can be 51% or 99.9%.

They have released data that over 99% (the remainder from 100% of the 0.9%) of those who died had at least one pre-existing condition; that approximately 50% had at least three pre-existing conditions; and that over 60% of ALL Americans have at least one known pre-existing condition, but that doesn't permit one to determine how many who died believed they had no pre-existing condition and were shown to be dead wrong.

If you think about it, only such a set of conditions as this would permit determining such a number -- we just don't grab people off the street. If a high percentage, it would seem to indicate either the medical profession is doing a terrible job diagnosing the general population (unlikely), or that a much higher percentage (than the 60% of all Americans) actually have conditions they are unaware of and/or have merely not sought diagnosis. That number could be much higher than the known 60%.

I noticed the most prevalent pre-exiting condition categories in the chart (which I've discovered was based on WHO China-mission stats as of Feb-20) add up to less than 36% of all deaths, so there are likely many, many other pre-existing condition categories not shown (whether known previously or diagnosed in the hospital). Also, the explanation of that chart and the 150 'healthy deaths' number calculation appear to be in conflict (chart says categories don't indicate population, just individual odds).

I have read that the majority of ALL cases with pre-existing conditions (the 36-% plus the remaining 64+%) diagnosed in the hospital and who died, are men by a factor of approximately 2:1. This s not the M/F death ratio but does seem to reinforce the existing medical belief (and likely correct belief) that women traditionally seek medical consultation approximately 2:1 over men; but it sheds no light on in-hospital newly-diagnosed pre-existing conditions for Covid-19 deaths.

That said, it has got to be scary for anyone who believe they are otherwise healthy and first finds out, once hospitalized with Covid-19, that they actually do have previously undiagnosed pre-existing condition(s) -- but I have not been able to determine what percentage that is. It could well be a rather high percentage -- and the fact no one seems to be revealing that ratio/percent I find most curious.

[Boston Mike]

That's great news!

But it could also be somewhat misleading for those who believe they are otherwise heathy -- because they're finding that the "majority" of people admitted to the hospital w/ Covid-19 and who believed they had no pre-existing conditions and died, were actually found to have un-diagnosed pre-existing conditions. How big a majority I have not been able to determine. That is a stat I'd really like to know. Majority can be 51% or 99.9%.

They have released data that over 99% (the remainder from 100% of the 0.9%) of those who died had at last one pre-existing condition; that approximately 50% had at least three pre-existing conditions; and that over 60% of ALL Americans have at least one known pre-existing condition, but that doesn't permit one to determine how many who died believed they had no pre-existing condition and were shown to be dead wrong. If you think about it, only such a set of conditions would permit determining such a number. If high it would seem to indicate either he medical profession is doing a terrible job (unlikely), or that a much higher percentage (than the 60% of all Americans) actually have conditions they are unaware of and/or have not sought diagnosis. That number could be much higher than the known 60%.

I noticed the most prevalent pre-exiting condition categories in the chart (which I've discovered is based on WHO China-mission stats as of Feb-20) add up to less than 36% of all deaths, so there are likely many, many other pre-existing condition categories not shown (whether known previously or diagnosed in the hospital). Also, the explanation of that chart and the 150 calculation appear to be in conflict (doesn't indicate population, just individual odds).

I have read that the majority of ALL cases with pre-existing conditions (the 36-% plus the remaining 64+%) diagnosed in the hospital and who died, are men by a factor of approximately 2:1. This seems to reinforce not the M/F death ratio but the existing medical belief (and likely correct belief) that women traditionally seek medical consultation approximately 2:1 over men; but it sheds no light on in-hospital newly-diagnosed pre-existing conditions for Covid-19 deaths.

That said, it has got to be scary for anyone who believe they are otherwise healthy and first finds out, once hospitalized with Covid-19, that they actually do have previously undiagnosed pre-existing conditions -- but I have not been able to determine what percentage that is. It could well be a rather high percentage -- and the fact no one seems to be revealing that ratio/percent I find most curious.

The trick I have now is convincing Beth that I no longer have an underlying issue.......she thinks my cow valve IS one, but it really isn’t since my heart is nearly fully healed from years of issues related to my native valve. And I’m technically no longer diabetic (and down 42lbs to date how). Guess I picked a good time to get all that under control.

[68fastback]

The trick I have now is convincing Beth that I no longer have an underlying issue.......she thinks my cow valve IS one, but it really isn’t since my heart is nearly fully healed from years of issues related to my native valve. And I’m technically no longer diabetic (and down 42lbs to date how). Guess I picked a good time to get all that under control.

Yeah, lucky it was discovered and got taken care of when it did, Mike ...and you're still statistically 'young' too.

[HSURB]

When we look back at the cost of this shutdown and who and what were effected by it, it is going to be the biggest f!uck-up in history.

HSURB®

[Tommy Gun]

And the Chinese government should be held responsible

[68fastback]

Bill the Chinese for it and when they tell us to go fluck ourselves, withhold our quarterly debt interest payments to them until the bill is paid and/or they stop dragging their feet on a phase-2 trade deal in the hope of not having to deal with Trump after 1-20-21. :shades:

[68fastback]

I want to see a staged restart.

Require businesses to self-certify based on the best practices that have emerged from this in critical worker businesses. That's where Covid Task force can help along with dispersal of constrained protective gear as necessary -- since feds are already disbursing and tracking that today on a daily basis and hospitals are still dependent on that assistance until the curves obviate the lack of such assistance.

Let the states decide which and how quickly businesses come back online focusing on most-feasible first -- every state/county experience with this has varied widely and optimized staging should vary accordingly. Tho some nationwide guidelines are surely in order (esp. re best practices sharing) the state governors need to OWN, implement and manage their state reboot plans.

Will there be any re-spread? No doubt, but we now know that critical workers best practices have shown how well such practices work at contact and spread contaiment and the state/county/local municipalities need to exploit that insight and bake it into the plans THEY create, own, manage and, yes, self-police the implementation and duration of. It has to be THEIR plans managed across THEIR jurisdictions, imho.

[twobjshelbys]

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[onecrazydog]

And the Chinese government should be held responsible


Yup, the CCP, WHO, CDC, and Deep State... All part and parcel...

[twobjshelbys]

Yup, the CCP, WHO, CDC, and Deep State... All part and parcel...

Add the UN.

[onecrazydog]

Add the UN.


Yes!! I have been against them for years...

[onecrazydog]

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[68fastback]

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[JTB]

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LOL!

[twobjshelbys]

The Air Force Thunderbirds did a flying route over most of the Vegas valley yesterday. Unfortunately not over our area. Here is one pic from when they were flying the strip (actually on the west side of I15)

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This shows the Luxor, and yes, that is snow on the peaks. Mountains have had up to 11" in the last few days.

Nellis AFB (north part of the city, by the race track) is the Tbirds home base.

[68fastback]

They are mazing! Yesterday our son in Denver called to say they were doing fly-bys of the major Denver hospitals to recognize the staff' efforts. He was on his deck on the 15th floor and said they were so close that he could see the pilots faces, so he wildly waved to them and the nearest pilot waved back! Way cool!

[Tommy Gun]

Cool.

I don’t even remember seeing mountains when I went to Vegas. Lol

[twobjshelbys]

Does this thing time out? In other words, if someone is exposed and becomes infected but not bad enough to seek medical attention, how long is that person contagious (or for that matter, anyone that gets it and medically recovers.)

Everyone needs to be reminded that all of this no contact stuff is only to "flatten the curve" so that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. It appears that the infection rate approaches 100% so just becuase you don't have it today doesn't mean you won't get it tomorrow or in three months.

[twobjshelbys]

Trump is going to establish a "turn the economy back on" task force. I'm curious how he will start returning people to work. I'm a little skeptical about just saying "OK, Company X, on Tuesday you get to open again". If I worked for Company X, and knowing that there is no immunity and no vaccine, that the "silent carriers" that have it but don't exhibit symptoms are in the cube next to me...

Some governers are saying they won't open up until there is a vaccine. That could take a year.

Something in the middle has to happen...

Brings up another question that I'll ask separately.

[twobjshelbys]

Cool.

I don’t even remember seeing mountains when I went to Vegas. Lol

Oh yes, Vegas is very much like Phoenix. We are in a very large valley surrounded by mountains. Even to the south (towards LA) you go up quite a bit in altitude. North and west are regular Rocky Mountain mountains... I like to see the snow there. It's a great place to store it safely away from me. Mt Charleston to the northwest is 11,916'. Skiing and everything winter goes on there.

[68fastback]

Trump will formally announce 're-boot' TF on Tuesday ...that's what he said on Friday. Will include governors and business leaders too.

[twobjshelbys]

Trump will formally announce 're-boot' TF on Tuesday ...that's what he said on Friday. Will include governors and business leaders too.

I actually hope it includes Cuomo. First , it would show bipartisanship, but secondly, I think he's come across like a pretty level headed leader that is putting people ahead of politics during the crisis. Plus, he's got a huge stake in it - both from having the most people affected and having the entire financial market in his front room.

[68fastback]

Hope so -- I suspect it will -- they talk virtually every day.

[68fastback]

Does this thing time out? In other words, if someone is exposed and becomes infected but not bad enough to seek medical attention, how long is that person contagious (or for that matter, anyone that gets it and medically recovers.)

Everyone needs to be reminded that all of this no contact stuff is only to "flatten the curve" so that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. It appears that the infection rate approaches 100% so just becuase you don't have it today doesn't mean you won't get it tomorrow or in three months.

They're saying 14 days but even if you have no symptoms you can infect someone else.

In summer as temps get over 77 (25C) up north, at least getting it from infected surfaces is reduced significantly because it degrades faster but is not eliminated, so social distancing has even more leverage against its overall spread because an even larger percentage of spread would be person-to-person.

And even after the curve is 'flattened,' it will still take several weeks to a couple months for it to come down substantially and that still assumes social distancing continues as well as masks & gloves in the workplace and other workplace disinfecting protocols.

If zero-contact with the virus were achievable and 100% effective (it's not, and it's not) the virus would totally collapse within 2-3 weeks tops.

I won't feel safe until there's a sure-thing medical treatment, a cure, and/or a vaccine. Until then it's a variable crap-shoot, imo, so quick testing and, if positive, immediate HCQ+zinc+Azith regimen for 5 days is presently the only broadly-available treatment.

I think the Abbott "5-minute test" (currently takes 12 minutes) will be key to managing the workplace reboot so someone with even suspect symptoms can leave or return to work quickly ...medical workers and critical industries are the ones who got earliest access but, as I understand it, though there are several thousands of the machines around that can process Abbott's test, they have to be brought into a test workflow for this specific test and, even then, that's only several hundred thousand tests/day utilized 24/7 with ideal time-spread stats. Is that enough? Dunno, probably not -- but it's a big step in the right direction.

Ideally, even if every one of the US' 162M employees were within 15 minutes of one of these machines, there still better be less than around 1-in-1000 employees who need testing on any given day (and such distributions never occur smoothly) as no machines are 100% reliable and demand will certainly not be evenly distributed across each day's 24 hours either. So 1:1000 is probably optimistic. And regardless of how good the test is (and it is excellent from what I've read) we may need lots more of the machines and trained clinicians to operate them ...possibly at every major plant/facility nationwide.

Even then, it doesn't mean another major outbreak can't occur, just that it is likely to be identified quickly so contact-tracing can isolate it from the broader population -- far from the ideal of a cure, vaccine or even a ubiquitous fast self-test (doesn't exist nor is likely to exist anytime soon). And even if it did, it just shortens the ID > trace > isolate cycle and just reduces public exposure.

That's why, lacking a cure or vaccine, it will remain a crap-shoot for any individual and of stressful set of tradeoffs for business and industry in the interim, imo.

[Tommy Gun]

I hope something breaks soon, I’m tired of painting, trimming, fixing, waxing, repairing, etc etc.

[68fastback]

I'm tired of beavers :haha:

[Tommy Gun]

:wow2:

[68fastback]

:lol:

[twobjshelbys]

My daughter got her stimulus deposit already.

[Tommy Gun]

I see a few guys on Facebook saying they got it and that most should get them by weds if they have direct deposit. People who live near beaver dams may have to wait a few extra days if the roads get flooded by critters...

[68fastback]

Got ours ...ETF deposit was pending yesterday, credited to account today for release April 15 @ 12:01a.

It will go to whatever account was used for tax refund.

[68fastback]

Wow! Ford is really helping address the needs caused by this friggin' SARS-CoV-2 Chinese virus.

This is in addition to the 50,000 ventilators.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/04/13/ford-to-produce-respirators-masks-covid-19.html

[Tommy Gun]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/numbers-150-americans-date-no-pre-existing-conditions-died-coronavirus-0-9/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostSideSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR2VX3M5zRmvn6a9AdW9WVyCWRuFU65GgpH3ajOTe 6MneqPqRYt3qoXh38w

[Tommy Gun]

I heard a brief something about China retaliating against the world for “thinking” they caused this.

We all know they did cause it so what will we do about it?

Hmm...


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[68fastback]

I heard a brief something about China retaliating against the world for “thinking” they caused this.

We all know they did cause it so what will we do about it?

Hmm...


.

I think Congressional republicans will begin an investigation, but I suspect it will take some time to determine what they knew, when they knew it and what really happened to the Chinese docs that tried to warn us back in Dec what was going down(while Schiff and Pelosi were focused only on Impeachment). But I think such an investigation will not have teeth (beyond a rallying cry and more investigation) unless Trump is re-elected AND republicans take the House back (too many dems are in China's pocket: the Bidens & Kerrys, Pelosi husband, Feinstein, others). Then maybe some serious punishment for China might be possible.

In the meantime we could tie a good chunk of their global liquid assets but we need to get the phase-II trae deal in place first. Actually, I'm not sure I want to see this get public attention until a Phase-II China trade deal is inked :weg: because it will only make that deal more difficult or impossible, and may embolden China in other ways as a diversion.

It's a chess game -- a cold war that prior US presidents have been in total denial of (or scared of). Trump sees them for what they are but you have to have leverage to really move the tiller of the good ship USS Lollipop -lol- and you need the House to make such things happen in a durable, legislative way, imo.

[Tommy Gun]

I was just going to say that.

[68fastback]

:wtg: :lol: ;-)

[twobjshelbys]

I'm bored. All I do is eat, sleep, watch TV or stare out the window at the birds, poop. I feel like I'm turning into a cat.

[68fastback]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Among other critter visitations, we're entertained daily by our miniature red flying-bullet dinosaur (cardinal) that every several minutes comes to visit -- whacking our picture window and deck slider (beats the window with it's wings and dances around on the screened side windows). Of course he starts at about 6:00a.m. but, like our grandfather clock, we have gotten used to his antics and noises. His old lady, on the other hand is totally mellow, as are the 'kids' -- she also occasionally raises a nest-planted cowbird. This is the 6th year of Zeek's 3-season antics. Cardinals are long-lived among small birds -- 12-15 years in the wild. He's a piece of work -lol

[68fastback]

For the first time, local supermarket had Bounty paper towels, but no TP -lol Paper products supply starting to catch-up?

[twobjshelbys]

The "flora and fauna" are about the only New England things we miss. In MA we had cardinals and blue jays and all sorts of other colorful songbirds. We couldn't keep the feeders full. Oh, that was partly assisted by the squirrels that really liked the seeds that had sunflower seeds (or straight sunflower which we used sometimes). I put chili powder in the seeds and that helped with the squirrels.

[68fastback]

Yeah, lots of birds. We spread it out on the ground and on a huge rock. Can't use feeders here except in winter b/c they attracts bears (as we found out-lol).

Is the desert blooming now or is that later in the year -- the high desert can be gorgeous when in bloom.

[twobjshelbys]

Yeah, lots of birds. We spread it out on the ground and on a huge rock. Can't use feeders here except in winter b/c they attracts bears (as we found out-lol).

Is the desert blooming now or is that later in the year -- the high desert can be gorgeous when in bloom.

Death Valley opens up soon, but it takes a couple of big rains for it to happen and we haven't had any for a couple of weeks.

When I lived in Phoenix I had a couple of customers we serviced out of our office instead of the Tucson office so I'd have to drive down there frequently. One day after a few rare days where it rained all day long with a gentle (not thunderstorm gully washer) rain I was on the way down and the desert between Phoenix and Tucson had gone, literally in a few days, into full bloom. It was breathtaking.

[onecrazydog]

I ordered a bunch of these last week, and they arrived today,

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Sharing them with friends, family, and co workers!!

I have been pretty popular today!! Lol!!

[68fastback]

Death Valley opens up soon, but it takes a couple of big rains for it to happen and we haven't had any for a couple of weeks.

When I lived in Phoenix I had a couple of customers we serviced out of our office instead of the Tucson office so I'd have to drive down there frequently. One day after a few rare days where it rained all day long with a gentle (not thunderstorm gully washer) rain I was on the way down and the desert between Phoenix and Tucson had gone, literally in a few days, into full bloom. It was breathtaking.

Awesome!!

[68fastback]

Opening Up America Again...

... guidelines to the governors, who will apply and plan for when and how to comply and monitor, ec., in their jurisdictions.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/?utm_source=ods&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1600d

[Alloy Dave]

Indiana governor will be updating us Friday....I think we will go to phase 1 in early May. Terry is still very scared....she’ll be sheltering at home for months yet.

[tekheavy]

New York extended shut down until at least May 15th.

[Tommy Gun]

Indiana governor will be updating us Friday....I think we will go to phase 1 in early May. Terry is still very scared....she’ll be sheltering at home for months yet.


So I shouldn’t reschedule my trip yet? :(

.

[Tommy Gun]

New York extended shut down until at least May 15th.


So I shouldn’t reschedule my trip yet? :(


Lol

[tekheavy]

So I shouldn’t reschedule my trip yet? :(


Lol

You can come here, but you can't leave. :popcorn:

[Alloy Dave]

So I shouldn’t reschedule my trip yet? :(

.
Depends

[68fastback]

Captain of the USNS Comfort (David Murrin) is a friend of ours (@ 0:15 sec).

He's a former US Marine, Massachusetts Maritime Academy graduate, successful business owner, a licensed Master Mariner and has over 27 years experience in leadership. Though a civilian, he has captained the massive military supply ships in wartime operations, the USS Enterprise (just before it was retired) and has even trained Navy carrier captains because of the extensive experience with large ships and as a Master Mariner. Just a great guy!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=aMzZEUNN8m8&feature=emb_lo go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=aMzZEUNN8m8&feature=emb_logo

[Alloy Dave]

Cool. I admire and am grateful for our service persons.

[Tommy Gun]

You can come here, but you can't leave. :popcorn:


:ohsnap:

[Tommy Gun]

Depends



I don’t need Depends, just Sure.


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[68fastback]

Ford keeps working on creative ways to help with this virus ...the Ford-X project is using Lincoln Navigators fully equipped with drivers from Lincoln Personal Drive Program, equipping them with tents, sanitation, power and WiFi to support first-responder mobile testing -- fully equipped by WSU and ACCESS. Cool!

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/04/15/ford--wayne-state-university--access-coalition-launch-first-mobi.html

[twobjshelbys]

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[Tommy Gun]

:haha:

[twobjshelbys]

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[Tommy Gun]

:ohsnap:

[68fastback]

:haha: ...so true!

[twobjshelbys]

Ha! When you have lemons make lemonade...

City fills skateboard park with sand to keep skaters out. Then the dirt bikers showed up! Hilarious!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-skatepark-sand-dirtbikes-social-distancing

[68fastback]

Lol!

I don't quite get why it was a problem to begin with ...outside, sun/UV, and not exactly bumping into each other :rofl3:

Oh, yeah, it' CA :haha:

[HSURB]

Ha! When you have lemons make lemonade...

City fills skateboard park with sand to keep skaters out. Then the dirt bikers showed up! Hilarious!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-skatepark-sand-dirtbikes-social-distancing


Now that is some funny sh!t right there.

HSURB®

[tekheavy]

:lol:

[onecrazydog]

Ha! When you have lemons make lemonade...

City fills skateboard park with sand to keep skaters out. Then the dirt bikers showed up! Hilarious!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-skatepark-sand-dirtbikes-social-distancing


They also shovelled and swept an area for the boarders too!! There is hope for humanity...

[tekheavy]

:popcorn:


https://i.imgur.com/8IzAWHk.jpg

[twobjshelbys]

:popcorn:


https://i.imgur.com/8IzAWHk.jpg


Where is this in the press? You won't see it. Why? Because they are making money with fear mongering on this.

All things considered, it shows that, within limits of scale, if there hadn't been any panic, and stay-at-home stuff, the COVID-19 virus is about as deadly as the regular old flu...

There is a distinction however: COVID-19 is IN ADDITION TO the flu, not INSTEAD OF the flu, so annual deaths double. It's thinning the herd...

[Tommy Gun]

New York is dumping every death in the state in the virus bucket. Numbers are skewed to try and get more funds and supplys. :(

[tekheavy]

:innocent:

[68fastback]

Where is this in the press? You won't see it. Why? Because they are making money with fear mongering on this.

All things considered, it shows that, within limits of scale, if there hadn't been any panic, and stay-at-home stuff, the COVID-19 virus is about as deadly as the regular old flu...

There is a distinction however: COVID-19 is IN ADDITION TO the flu, not INSTEAD OF the flu, so annual deaths double. It's thinning the herd...

True. Unfortunately some of us now define the herd :yikes:

I'd bet the flu also hits the elderly and in nusing homes similarly hard. Just was no way to know in advance esp since China was caught lying on so much.

Major study revealed today that sunshine (UV -- as with all viruses) makes a huge difference. While temp and humidity slightly affects Covid-19 'decay' time, direct summer sunshine cuts the days/hours on various surfaces down to -- wait for it -- 1-2 minutes!! ... Mother nature, the great purifier!

[twobjshelbys]

I thought the UV link had been made very early on. I remember thinking that all of this spray and wipe sanitation could be done with a strong blue light...

[68fastback]

Exactly ...I guess they wanted to be sure this virus works like others.

We've been putting our masks out in the sun -- when there is sun. The rest of the time I just spray them with iso-91 after we go shopping.

[twobjshelbys]

So I saw this this morning but can't find it now.

A woman with a couple of independent companies applied for (separate) payroll protection forgivable grants. The conditions of the forgiving is that the money has to go to continuing to pay the employees their wage. Well, the employees are now pissed at her (they used that term) because ....


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drumroll


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their unemployment with the $600 per week adder is significantly higher than their wages. So they refused it. Now the employer is scrambling to figure out how she will repay what was to be essentially a grant.

She said she will inform the state of the grant and that their unemployment will most likely be revoked.

what a group of ungrateful slobs. But a sign of what socialism will be like... Why work if the government will give it to you for free.

[twobjshelbys]

Navy recommends reinstatement of USS Theodore Roosevelt captain

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/navy-recommends-fired-carrier-captain-be-reinstated-207036

[68fastback]

There's another twist too. Unemployment in NY is 1/3 of normal pay. But, that is now enhanced with the $600 weekly adder. So, the break-point in NY is $900/wk ((900/3)+600)=900. $900/wk is $22.50/hour (40 hour week). So if you make less than $900/week, you're better off getting the $600-enhanced unemployment, so people are asking to be laid-off. If you make more than that you're better off staying 'hired' an having the paycheck protection 'loan' cover such employee's wages. In effect, the plan would have the effect of cutting-loose those in the workforce who made under $900/week which, around here, is most of the workforce.

BUT, those who try to quit to refuse the paycheck-protection become ineligible for unemployment (they quit). If they already were fired they are eligible for unemployment but not for paycheck protection. If they were laid-off (employees the employer wants back when things get better vs fired) they are only eligible for paycheck protection even though enhanced-unemployment may pay more.

That puts they employer in a tough spot. If the employer leaves them as laid-off, they wind up making less than if they were fired. But if the employer fires a laid-off employee, the employer has two potential problems: 1) either having to later repay part of the paycheck protection funds -or- trying to amend their application before receiving the funds (unused funds can be held aside for repayment later), and 2) potential fraud charges if the employer intent was to afford the (previously laid-off but now fired) employee more benefit by firing them.

If I was the employer and applied for paycheck protection loan for amount-x but, for whatever reason, I'll owe amount x-y of that back (for whatever reason -- e.g. some laid-off employees may move elsewhere while laid-off, etc.), I'd just keep-aside the portion of the paycheck-protection loan (it is a loan) no longer 'protected' by paycheck coverage (i.e. x-y) and pay amount-y back at the end of the 'loan' ...or whenever repayment is due under the program.

[Tommy Gun]

I’ve been trying for the PPP but can’t find any bank to take the application :(

They all say they are backlogged w applicants.

[Tommy Gun]

26544

[HSURB]

New York is dumping every death in the state in the virus bucket. Numbers are skewed to try and get more funds and supplys. :(

Yes, but look at the bright side. Nobody is passing from Heart Disease or Cancer anymore. Nobody.

They've cured two of the worst diseases with one virus. Amazing.

This entire thing is stupid.

HSURB®

[tekheavy]

Yes, but look at the bright side. Nobody is passing from Heart Disease or Cancer anymore. Nobody.

They've cured two of the worst diseases with one virus. Amazing.

This entire thing is stupid.

HSURB®

:logical:

[68fastback]

:lol:

[onecrazydog]

Since I hate most people, I am not really minding the social distancing thing in public... Get outta my space!!


:rofl3:


Most, but I like you clowns...

[twobjshelbys]

New York is dumping every death in the state in the virus bucket. Numbers are skewed to try and get more funds and supplys. :(


I saw something yesterday that at least one state (NJ?) is adjusting numbers for false reports. 200 is what I remember.

[68fastback]

Since I hate most people, I am not really minding the social distancing thing in public... Get outta my space!!


:rofl3:


Most, but I like you clowns...

:spitcopy: :biggrin:

[Tommy Gun]

Since I hate most people, I am not really minding the social distancing thing in public... Get outta my space!!


:rofl3:


Most, but I like you clowns...


That’s because you are 1500 miles from us :( lol

[68fastback]

:lol: ...or 3500!

[68fastback]

The Epoch Times is great ...they print in many countries and are straight-shooters. In China, thugs have tried to burn the them out and Chinese Communist Party thugs have sledge-hammered their presses sto silence them in the China market.

But they will not be silenced.

We used to subscribe to the Epoch Times (weekly print newspaper) and it was always a great read -- highly recommended.

This video is about what they have found out about the origins of the Wuhan Labs Communist Party Corona virus (that's a hint -lol).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic&feature=youtu.be

[Tommy Gun]

Good video

[Tommy Gun]

Tried putting that video on Facebook. It has a warning when trying to view it from Facebook saying there is false information in it. :nonono:


Facebook fabrication:nonono:

[68fastback]

Of course. Facebook and Google have both been threatened with extirpation from China and replaced with well-controlled China-developed alternatives. That is why Google has given China a way to control searches and content and Facebook has given them the capability to fence-off content sharing. China is a huge market and money talks!

[Tommy Gun]

:(

[Tommy Gun]

26592

[68fastback]

That's about it :rofl3:

[68fastback]

Today Bill Barr told all US Federal Attorneys to be vigilant for states unconstitutionally overstepping their bounds in Corona virus actions.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/494892-barr-tells-prosecutors-to-watch-for-pandemic-restrictions-that

Bill Barr rocks -- such a great AG we haven't seen in a some time!

[twobjshelbys]

Disgusting. Simply disgusting. But not unexpected of the slime balls in New York that think they are above everyone else

' Some rich owners of enclaves in New York and the Hamptons with a large staff, who previously registered their household under an independent company or LLC, applied for forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program, according to Page Six (https://pagesix.com/2020/04/27/possible-criminal-charges-against-rich-homeowners-who-asked-for-small-business-bailout-loans/). '



https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/wealthy-homeowners-who-tapped-small-business-rescue-program-could-reportedly-face-criminal-charges

[Tommy Gun]

:(

[68fastback]

Bill, check that link in Tony's post ...seems to say it's illegal to include household employees in the paycheck loan stimulus bill?

It says: "Household employers are ineligible to apply for loans through program, Treasury said."

But does that mean household employers of folks such as nannies or household employers of folks such as wives and kids?

Hopefully the former.

[twobjshelbys]

Bill, check that link in Tony's post ...seems to say it's illegal to include household employees in the paycheck loan stimulus bill?

It says: "Household employers are ineligible to apply for loans through program, Treasury said."

But does that mean household employers of folks such as nannies or household employers of folks such as wives and kids?

Hopefully the former.



I interpret the badness to be something like:

I'm a multimillionaire and I made a corporation (probably a shell corp) that holds my mansion and employs my maids, butlers, landscapers. The corporation applies for payroll protection. The shell corporation has no real source of income other than regular deposits to the corporation's bank account from the wealthy "owner".

That's the nono... The holder has plenty of assets and is not "stressed", ie, his 1B of stocks might now only be worth 500M, but he's still got plenty of money. The fact that the corporation sits in the middle doesn't make the corporation "poor"...

Having a corporation with owners as regular employees is a normal business operating procedure. My mechanic friend pays himself and his son and another employee under just such a structure.

[68fastback]

I interpret the badness to be something like:

I'm a multimillionaire and I made a corporation (probably a shell corp) that holds my mansion and employs my maids, butlers, landscapers. The corporation applies for payroll protection. The shell corporation has no real source of income other than regular deposits to the corporation's bank account from the wealthy "owner".

That's the nono... The holder has plenty of assets and is not "stressed", ie, his 1B of stocks might now only be worth 500M, but he's still got plenty of money. The fact that the corporation sits in the middle doesn't make the corporation "poor"...

Having a corporation with owners as regular employees is a normal business operating procedure. My mechanic friend pays himself and his son and another employee under just such a structure.

I think you're right -- that's the key because no profit motive and no loss risk is just a liability shield. So Bill should be fine then.

[Tommy Gun]

Just put a post here and it got blocked by something saying the site is protected by Immunity something something, then I had to log back in and my post was gone. :mad:

[68fastback]

That happens to be all the time with Edge (but never with Explorer) -- have to log back in and you lose what you were doing -- seems to happen more often if it takes more than 5 minutes or so to complete a post b/c doing other things, etc., but Edge lets me type fine, paste text, and I can insert links and pics and vids -- all thigs I can't do with Explorer since the s/w update. Funny thing is Explorer never logs me out like that but, when using Edge, before I hit "post quick reply" I scoop up the post content to the clipboard so that, if it kicks me out, I can just paste it back in after relogging-in (which I never have to do with Explorer -lol).

[twobjshelbys]

That happens to be all the time with Edge (but never with Explorer) -- have to log back in and you lose what you were doing -- seems to happen more often if it takes more than 5 minutes or so to complete a post b/c doing other things, etc., but Edge lets me type fine, paste text, and I can insert links and pics and vids -- all thigs I can't do with Explorer since the s/w update. Funny thing is Explorer never logs me out like that but, when using Edge, before I hit "post quick reply" I scoop up the post content to the clipboard so that, if it kicks me out, I can just paste it back in after relogging-in (which I never have to do with Explorer -lol).

I've been using Firefox since it came out. Before Firefox became Firefox it was Netscape.

I occasionally use a different browser when I'm having trouble logging in or something but not becasue of incompatibility but because the default Windows browser (explorer or edge) doesn't have all the cookies and logins so I can approach the site as a "new user". it often uncovers bad cookies.

[twobjshelbys]

Don't get too comfy working from home

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-reporter-forgets-to-wear-pants-during-good-morning-america-segment-from-home

[onecrazydog]

I've been using Firefox since it came out. Before Firefox became Firefox it was Netscape.



Same here!! :webers:

[68fastback]

I may have to go that route. I want to see if the new Edge browser built on Google's kernel fixes old Edge's shortcomings. It's available for download now but I'll wait until MS bundles into a Win 10 update vs the late-Beta version going around now.

[twobjshelbys]

26618

[68fastback]

:spitcopy:

[HSURB]

26618

Reality in 2020

HSURB®

[onecrazydog]

Hydroxychloroquine: - $0.63 per pill - generic - 11 US manufacturers

Azithromycin: - $0.84 per pill - generic - 12 US manufacturers



The new drug that fauci clown is pushing, Remdesivir: - $1000 per pill - on-patent - 1 US manufacturer (Gilead)...“ (Dr. James Todaro).

[HSURB]

Hydroxychloroquine: - $0.63 per pill - generic - 11 US manufacturers

Azithromycin: - $0.84 per pill - generic - 12 US manufacturers



The new drug that fauci clown is pushing, Remdesivir: - $1000 per pill - on-patent - 1 US manufacturer (Gilead)...“ (Dr. James Todaro).

I guess we just have to look at the bright side that there is no chance of this coming back in 2021.

And you ask how I know that?

It is simple. 2021 is not an Election Year.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

Exactly ...and exactly!

...and Remdesivir is late-stage treatment an I can see a need for that. Hydroxy/Azith/zinc is early-stage so you don't get to late-stage! That should be #1 tactic.

[Tommy Gun]

I guess we just have to look at the bright side that there is no chance of this coming back in 2021.

And you ask how I know that?

It is simple. 2021 is not an Election Year.

HSURB®


Yep :(

[68fastback]

Ready to go shopping :giggle:

https://stangsunited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26654&d=1589043984 (https://stangsunited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26654&d=1589043984)

[tekheavy]

:spitcopy:

[68fastback]

Canadian scientists see preliminary evidence high-CBD strains of cannabis may block Covid-19.

:canada: ;-)

https://www.paintreatmentdirectory.com/posts/cannabis-might-block-covid-19-infection

[Alloy Dave]

Oh great

:rolleyes:

[Tommy Gun]

Alright Stacey :wtg:

[onecrazydog]

Looks like I'm good to go!!


:rofl3:


And have an excuse now to roll another one!!

[onecrazydog]

My physio place opened up again finally... Had an appointment on Wed, still super sore from it... I had to wear a mask while in there... What a joke... I felt bad that she has to wear one all day...

[Tommy Gun]

Looks like I'm good to go!!


:rofl3:


And have an excuse now to roll another one!!


:haha:

[Tommy Gun]

26682

[twobjshelbys]

Colorado backed down their numbers after finding that they were including people that had the virus in their system but died from other causes. From 1100+ to 800+. Apparently one medical examiner found that someone had been included after the ME declared that he had died from alcohol poisoning (BAC of .5+, yep, that'll do it) and that the virus had nothing to do with the cause of death and as sort of a whistleblower went public that the numbers were being inflated.

[68fastback]

Just imagine what the stats would be for the flu if they counted the bogus way they are for Corona :yikes:

[Tommy Gun]

Yep

[Tommy Gun]

26683

[tekheavy]

Wrong place.

[68fastback]

26683

:spitcopy:

[Tommy Gun]

Wrong place.



Stop it Tony :haha:


.

[HSURB]

I'm so tired of this bullshit, I went out and bought a new Wrangler Sahara Unlimited for my wife to drive and am going to modify the heck out of it because I don't think we'll be traveling anywhere soon and I need something to occupy my time and to shop for.

Have it home now and have already ordered a ton of upgrades.

I'm thinking of getting COVID on the plates.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

I'm so tired of this bullshit, I went out and bought a new Wrangler Sahara Unlimited for my wife to drive and am going to modify the heck out of it because I don't think we'll be traveling anywhere soon and I need something to occupy my time and to shop for.

Have it home now and have already ordered a ton of upgrades.

I'm thinking of getting COVID on the plates.

HSURB®

:wtg: ...best of luck with it and the mods too. Some pics when you can? ;-)

[tekheavy]

I'm so tired of this bullshit, I went out and bought a new Wrangler Sahara Unlimited for my wife to drive and am going to modify the heck out of it because I don't think we'll be traveling anywhere soon and I need something to occupy my time and to shop for.

Have it home now and have already ordered a ton of upgrades.

I'm thinking of getting COVID on the plates.

HSURB®

:pics:

[Tommy Gun]

So she went from a Mercedes to a Jeep? Times must be tough. :haha:

[68fastback]

:spitcopy:

[HSURB]

:pics:

I'll get some transferred over from my phone.

HSURB®

[HSURB]

So she went from a Mercedes to a Jeep? Times must be tough. :haha:

We still have her car. Since we are at home more now, we wanted something to work on and thought it would be fun at the Lake this summer. With everything else cancelled, it is like Memorial Weekend Crowds every weekend now.

I'm running out of room to park everything. You can understand that!!!!!!!!

HSURB

[HSURB]

Here are a few photos of the new Jeep. We specifically wanted white as our off highway roads here are crushed limestone and every other color looks dirty all the time.

That was part of the reason for getting this also, I won't take any of our other vehicles off pavement.

HSURB®

266842668526686

[Tommy Gun]

Cool

[twobjshelbys]

Went to Sams to get the new battary for daughter's car. Exchange was easy. New warranty is only remainder of old one.

Anyway while I was waiting another guy came up and wanted to know if the battery/tire dept was open (it wasn't, but there was one guy that came from somewhere to do my exchange and get the other guy his). We were chatting about why the tire/battery department wasn't open - no logical explanation since every other auto repair place was open from the beginning. it's not like we go around spitting on the tires and people come along and wipe their hands on them.

Anyway, he was also of the opinion, his comments volunteered and not solicited by me, that this is a farce largely initiated by Democrats to insure that the economy is in a tailspin come election time. Dems can then blame trump for a horrible economy and everything associated with this mess. There are a lot of people that understand this but unfortunately the majority buy what the screwed up press says. Sigh...

[onecrazydog]

Hydroxychloroquine: - $0.63 per pill - generic - 11 US manufacturers

Azithromycin: - $0.84 per pill - generic - 12 US manufacturers



The new drug that fauci clown is pushing, Remdesivir: - $1000 per pill - on-patent - 1 US manufacturer (Gilead)...“ (Dr. James Todaro).

President Trump Admits He Is Taking Life-Saving Drug Hydroxychloroquine as Prophylaxis Against the Coronavirus


https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1262481276570865664

[twobjshelbys]

Hydroxychloroquine: - $0.63 per pill - generic - 11 US manufacturers

Azithromycin: - $0.84 per pill - generic - 12 US manufacturers



The new drug that fauci clown is pushing, Remdesivir: - $1000 per pill - on-patent - 1 US manufacturer (Gilead)...“ (Dr. James Todaro).

Goodrx says

Hydroxychloroquine 200mg/60 tablets 14.95 = .25/tablet

Azithromycin (z-pack of 6 tablets) 7.58

[68fastback]

President Trump Admits He Is Taking Life-Saving Drug Hydroxychloroquine as Prophylaxis Against the Coronavirus




https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1262481276570865664

I don't know why they don't interview the doc in the Rudy's video: 669 infected cases most of whom also have other issues (age and/or medical conditions), ALL recovered and only four had to be hospitalized (they also recovered). He administered Hydroxy/Azith/Zink as soon as possible, not after they need to be hospitalized. THAT IS THE KEY! Why does it seem so hard for ANYONE to comprehend that?

Neil Cavuto today really pi$$ed me off big time...had on some cardiac doc right after Trump announced he was taking Hydroxy/Azith/Zinc (reporters were surprised; Trump said they would have known earlier if anyone had asked!) and Neil goes on and on (I counted 5 times!!) telling people you can die from it -- don't take it (as if you can just get it w/o a doctor script) and citing the bogus VA study that used it on folks who had advanced covid and serious cardiac and other deathbed conditions. The treatment is for early-stage treatment!!!!! This cardiac doc he interviewed has many patients taking it for years for other reasons (lupus, etc) with ZERO issues, but doc rightly says when Neil pushes him to answer that he would not prescribe that combo prophylactically because it can modify the Q-T interval and cause an arrhythmia. Well, duh! POTUS is under regular doctor care and has no heart condition. So Neil goes on about how an arrhythmia causes INSTANT DEATH! Either he just doesn't get it or is a moron -- it's for early treatment! :doh: Then he mentions this new breakthrough vaccine announced today (amazing treatment with ZERO allergic issues b/c it's a direct delivery) that is working so well, so he asks the doc would he take Trump's hydroxy/azith/zinc prophylactically or the vaccine. Of course the doc says the vaccine -- who wouldn't? But the vaccine isn't available yet!

Trump swatted Neil a few weeks ago ...said, to the effect, I don't know what's going on with Fox and mentioned Cavuto. Ever since then Neil seems he has it in for Trump. I like Neil but he was moronic today or just doesn't get it or, more likely, is pi$$ed Trump called him out a while back :rant:

I don't know why no one has the actual doctor in NY on TV who did the actual study on his own 669 patients with such great results! In fact no one, except Rudy, has interviewed that doc. No one! Seems very odd to me. People will mention his study in general terms, never give the doc's name, and never interview him. Why? Instead they interview other docs and ask about it :doh:

Something's not right with that -- or with Neil Cavuto :rofl3:

[Alloy Dave]

Terry1234 is a bit freaked out by the virus. Until last week, she refused to go into ANY stores. Recently she is willing to go into grocery for a few things (we've been doing contactless pickup) that we can't seem to get ordered (they are often sold out) but when she comes out of the store she is a nervous wreck, then when she gets home she requires that we both take all our clothes off in the garage and go immediately into the shower. At first this sounded like fun to me...but trust me...it has not turned out that way.

We had some friends invite us over for a gathering, and we went...but never entered their house, took our own food and drinks, and didn't get within 10' of anyone. We had to leave early because she needed to use the bathroom and she would not go in their house. I wanted to invite people over to our house to do the same...but she refused to let anyone use our bathroom or come in our house...so I told her we'd just wait until she's ready.

This thing really has her on edge. When we bring groceries home, she takes refrigerated items out of the bags while in the garage, wipes them down with sanitizing wipes (except fresh veggies), and then carries them in the house. For fresh veggies, she puts immediately in the sink and rinses them. For other items, she unpacks them and leaves them in the garage for at least two days...worried about bringing the virus indoors.

Don't get me wrong...I want to be careful too....but I think she's a couple levels above me in caution on this and even the simplest task has become a major ordeal. For example, one day I took a shower, then my tenant texted me to say they dropped off the rent check. I went to get it later that day. It's in a PO box. When I came home, Terry had me take my clothes off in the garage and take a shower (I'd just taken one an hour before). I told her that I was the only customer at the UPS store when I got the mail...and the only things I touched were the door handles and mailbox door...and I used hand sanitizer (which I keep in my vehicle) after touching those items. I also wear a mask in public.

I'm ready for this crap to be over.

[onecrazydog]

That sucks Dave...


Take the mask off, it isn't doing you any good... They are a false sense of security, and the corona is smaller than the micron protection of the masks... The cdc also just released a study saying the virus doesn't stay living on surfaces as long as they first said it did...

Over 99% of us will be fine... I think more people will die from the shut down than the virus... This whole thing has been a scam...

[onecrazydog]

US data on influenza deaths are false and misleading. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts "predict dire outcomes" during flu seasons.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc

[twobjshelbys]

Take the mask off, it isn't doing you any good... They are a false sense of security, and the corona is smaller than the micron protection of the masks...

Yep. That's what Fauci said at the very beginning and then all of a sudden he was no longer allowed to speak and masks were the order of the day. It's all about the APPEARANCE of protection. I could just as well use 1/4" chicken wire. Hmm. Maybe that's what I'll do when I go to Costco.



The cdc also just released a study saying the virus doesn't stay living on surfaces as long as they first said it did...

Yep, but except for a little blurb on some news web site which suddenly and quietly disappeared, no further mention. Meanwhile, since there are now people whose job it is to wipe down those surfaces, you can't say that their jobs are meaningless. Just irrelevant.



Over 99% of us will be fine... I think more people will die from the shut down than the virus... This whole thing has been a scam...

It's a scam brought about by those whose only mission it is to insure that Trump's economy is in the tanks so the dems can blame it all on him. It's as carefully orchestrated as a Roger Waters concert. Most people have heard "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" yet they were not only led to the watering hole but are drinking the Kool-Aid.

[68fastback]

The regular masks only reduce the probability of spread from sneezing and coughing, i.e. OUTPUT. US (3M) N95 masks actually help filter out contagions in INPUT as small as viruses but are only 95 effective (hence N95), but don't help prevent spreading from sneezing/coughing because they have front-mounted high volume exhaust ports. The KN95 masks (Korea standard) don't meet the US N95 standard.

I mention this because in the hospital I noticed all the nurses wear the regular pleated mask (only reduces spread) but the doctors wear N95 masks PLUS a pleated mask over it (over the exhaust port and all). So I asked my doc why and he explained it's to both reduce spread and also protect him, as a critical resource, from others.

So now it all makes sense, I think.

[Alloy Dave]

That sucks Dave...


Take the mask off, it isn't doing you any good... They are a false sense of security, and the corona is smaller than the micron protection of the masks... The cdc also just released a study saying the virus doesn't stay living on surfaces as long as they first said it did...

Over 99% of us will be fine... I think more people will die from the shut down than the virus... This whole thing has been a scam...
I wear the mask to protect others, not me. Some stores locally require a mask or they won't let you in...such as Menards. Although I don't think it's been a scam, I think the most important safety things you can do are keeping away from people's mouths as they talk/cough/sneeze. I agree that all this stuff about not handling Amazon packages for days is over the top.

[68fastback]

I wear the mask to protect others, not me. Some stores locally require a mask or they won't let you in...such as Menards. Although I don't think it's been a scam, I think the most important safety things you can do are keeping away from people's mouths as they talk/cough/sneeze. I agree that all this stuff about not handling Amazon packages for days is over the top.

Exactly! And that's what reopening responsibly will (or at least should) be all about (politics aside). The left-media is just intentionally distorting everything to enhance the stretch the financial pain as close to the election as possible. It's disgusting ...and un-American, imo.

[twobjshelbys]

Exactly! And that's what reopening responsibly will (or at least should) be all about (politics aside). The left-media is just intentionally distorting everything to enhance the stretch the financial pain as close to the election as possible. It's disgusting ...and un-American, imo.

They couldn't drag the impeachment along any more. They really wanted it to run until late summer but Nancy got pressured into showing progress to the point where they ran out of made up stuff and had to finish it. So this is the crisis they manufactured to take its place. It's actually treasonous.

And now there's this new "children's disease" (probably Kawasaki's disease) that the press keeps trying to say is coronavirus-caused but the medical community says no such thing. Why haven't they blueprinted the virus that causes this? They'd know and know it's unrelated so that would leave them with less panic-causing news.

[68fastback]

Yeah, now they're working on another impeachment :doh:

...amazing how no one gave two sh!ts when O:blahblah:ma did absolutely nothing for swine flu in 2009-10 and 100,000+ Americans died -- and over 1,000,000 globally!

[onecrazydog]

Sounds like a bio weapon...



Australian researchers see virus design manipulation

A forthcoming Australian scientific study concludes that the coronavirus causing the global pandemic contains unique properties suggesting it was manipulated in a Chinese laboratory and was not the result of a natural occurrence.
Five scientists who conducted the study discovered an unusual ability of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, as the pathogen behind COVID-19 is called, to easily infect humans.
The scientists said there is no sign so far that the virus can be found in other animals, including bats or the exotic wildlife sold for fresh meat at a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/wuhan/), where the virus was first identified and where China (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/china/) maintains a major laboratory studying such viruses.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/australian-researchers-see-virus-design-manipulati/

[68fastback]

The truth cannot be hidden!

[Alloy Dave]

The truth cannot be hidden unless it was on Hillary's hard drive!
fixed

[68fastback]

How true!

[Tommy Gun]

CoPilot never asks me to take my clothes off, Dave might be on to something with Terry1234. :look:

[68fastback]

:spitcopy:

[onecrazydog]

The Most Important COVID-19 Statistic: 43% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#4abd7e8174cd

[twobjshelbys]

The Most Important COVID-19 Statistic: 43% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#4abd7e8174cd


This is stating what was very obvious from the beginning. The most susceptible portion of the population resides in nursing homes. But the real question is one of which came first. It's like the tornado/flood and trailer park syndrome: Do floods and tornadoes seek out trailer parks or do stupid people simply build trailer parks where noone else will build anything because tornadoes and floods go there?

I suspect the latter. Just like Nursing homes. Covid didn't seek out nursing homes (until a certain governor sent infectious patients there). The people living in nursing homes were just naturally more susceptible and once one fell the others did like dominoes.

[twobjshelbys]

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[onecrazydog]

Covid scare failed, onto the riots!!

[68fastback]

Covid scare failed, onto the riots!!

Yup :yes: ...which also served very nicely to re-seed the virus.
Not surprisingly two states have already said they are considering suspending re-opening sequences until the covid effects of the riots are understood. :doh:

[68fastback]

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That right there nails it! -lol

[twobjshelbys]

Yup :yes: ...which also served very nicely to re-seed the virus.
Not surprisingly two states have already said they are considering suspending re-opening sequences until the covid effects of the riots are understood. :doh:


Yep. Dems will keep their people subservient for another two to three weeks. The perfect excuse for the ruling class to control the serbs for another two weeks.

[twobjshelbys]

Holy cow, the market is not liking the latest news today. Down 6+% with closing still over an hour away.

[68fastback]

Holy cow, the market is not liking the latest news today. Down 6+% with closing still over an hour away.

Apparently Buffett DID know more about the airlines ...travel and hospitality is driving it ...based on fear of Covid spike making people not travel for some time ...or so the story goes :shades:

[twobjshelbys]

Apparently Buffett DID know more about the airlines ...travel and hospitality is driving it ...based on fear of Covid spike making people not travel for some time ...or so the story goes :shades:

Well, the restaurant we went to sometimes twice a week opened early in the process here. Village Pub, part of a local chain of pub/restaurants. Most of these places have a bar with the video poker games. In most cases the bar/gambling is the profitable point. For our particular one, it was the only one with a more profitable restaurant so they opened it first to get the new serving procedures down. We've gone a few times and each time it's been fewer than 2 or 3 other people present. People didn't want to be shackled to home, but now they're afraid to go anywhere. My guess is most sit-down restaurants are losing money open than the sitting still costs when they were closed.

[Alloy Dave]

I bought today...fairly large amount. If it goes down tomorrow a lot, I buy more lol.

[tekheavy]

I bought today...fairly large amount. If it goes down tomorrow a lot, I buy more lol.

Me too.

[68fastback]

:wtg:

[Tommy Gun]

Me too.


Me three.

[68fastback]

Well, the restaurant we went to sometimes twice a week opened early in the process here. Village Pub, part of a local chain of pub/restaurants. Most of these places have a bar with the video poker games. In most cases the bar/gambling is the profitable point. For our particular one, it was the only one with a more profitable restaurant so they opened it first to get the new serving procedures down. We've gone a few times and each time it's been fewer than 2 or 3 other people present. People didn't want to be shackled to home, but now they're afraid to go anywhere. My guess is most sit-down restaurants are losing money open than the sitting still costs when they were closed.

We were talking yesterday evening with the well-seasoned owner of a local upscale restaurant out in the country -- a destination restaurant ...fine Italian. He said through the take-out only months his cashflow has been underwater by 20-25% but if he closed he'd under water by 100% -- it's one thing to not have to pay salary but you still have a mortgage and payments on capitalized equipment, etc. One thing he said really hurts is that no one orders drinks when it's take-out only. They can (special rule in NYS during the pandemic), but no one does. NYS just started (Tuesday) restaurants at 25% occupancy with 6' table spacing inside and same spacing outside. He figures cashflow may almost break even for him over the next couple of weeks since bar service will be a net add though the rest will still be a little underwater because you now need waitstaff and full kitchen service staff which won't be fully covered yet. He thinks he won't be out of the woods until at least 50% occupancy (starts +/- Tues June 30, I think). He's been a restauranteur for nearly 40 years (30 in NYC) so knows his business inside-out. His son has a very popular restaurant in SoHo and is taking a worse beating but, once again, 50% under is better than 100%. In any event he's confident he'll get through this though some restaurants in the village have already folded :(

[tekheavy]

Me three.

:bsflag:

[twobjshelbys]

... though some restaurants in the village have already folded :(

Two of the places we went to have closed all their stores: My wife and daughter loved Sweet Tomatoes - salad bar buffet. I thought it was OK, and their soup was good, but to me it was an appetizer :) Anyway, they went out of business nationwide. Another that we went to was Miller's Ale House. Great restaurant menu and cold beer, closed all Nevada locations.

[68fastback]

It's going to take a while. Eventually new restaurants will fill-in where there's market need but that takes some time to rebalance, even when things are 'normal.'

A lot of older folks are just not going to take any chances until there is a vaccine or a cure. As a buddy of mine put it: "I'm not into gambling with my life."

[Tommy Gun]

:bsflag:


:hey2: Dave told me it would be a good time to do so. Looked good to me even if it drops further today.

[Tommy Gun]

It's going to take a while. Eventually new restaurants will fill-in where there's market need but that takes some time to rebalance, even when things are 'normal.'

A lot of older folks are just not going to take any chances until there is a vaccine or a cure. As a buddy of mine put it: "I'm not into gambling with my life."


When we’ve been to places like Walmart and Sams it seems there are no fewer older people than usual. I wonder what percentage are really taking this serious here.

[tekheavy]

When we’ve been to places like Walmart and Sams it seems there are no fewer older people than usual. I wonder what percentage are really taking this serious here.

Taking what seriously? :popcorn:

[HSURB]

We were talking yesterday evening with the well-seasoned owner of a local upscale restaurant out in the country -- a destination restaurant ...fine Italian. He said through the take-out only months his cashflow has been underwater by 20-25% but if he closed he'd under water by 100% -- it's one thing to not have to pay salary but you still have a mortgage and payments on capitalized equipment, etc. One thing he said really hurts is that no one orders drinks when it's take-out only. They can (special rule in NYS during the pandemic), but no one does. NYS just started (Tuesday) restaurants at 25% occupancy with 6' table spacing inside and same spacing outside. He figures cashflow may almost break even for him over the next couple of weeks since bar service will be a net add though the rest will still be a little underwater because you now need waitstaff and full kitchen service staff which won't be fully covered yet. He thinks he won't be out of the woods until at least 50% occupancy (starts +/- Tues June 30, I think). He's been a restauranteur for nearly 40 years (30 in NYC) so knows his business inside-out. His son has a very popular restaurant in SoHo and is taking a worse beating but, once again, 50% under is better than 100%. In any event he's confident he'll get through this though some restaurants in the village have already folded :(

In Kansas, they put a temporary exemption in place on the current laws and allowed all bars and restaurants to sell carry out drinks. Some of the places got really creative. I know of several Mexican places that were selling carry out Pitchers of Margaritas and doing well with it. I'm sure the exemption will be lifted soon as everything is opened back up now. But I liked that the state got creative and really worked to ensure the survival of more of our restaurants.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

When we’ve been to places like Walmart and Sams it seems there are no fewer older people than usual. I wonder what percentage are really taking this serious here.

I think it's pretty safe to shop if you're careful ...at least around here it's easy to keep 6' or more away from others while shopping and we disinfect everything (car touch points, groceries, packages, mail, etc) we bring in. Everyone seems to wear a mask but that just help contain sneezes and coughs. It's pretty rare someone sneezes or coughs anywhere near us when shopping -- I can only remember one time -- and we just turned and walked way. So I don't think it's risky behavior to go shopping if you're careful -- we just only do it when it's necessary. We're also are especially careful to NEVER touch our faces while shopping. We keep a little spray bottle of iso-91 in our pockets (repurposed little lens-cleaner bottles) just in case. Sort of a PITA but it is what it is.

[68fastback]

In Kansas, they put a temporary exemption in place on the current laws and allowed all bars and restaurants to sell carry out drinks. Some of the places got really creative. I know of several Mexican places that were selling carry out Pitchers of Margaritas and doing well with it. I'm sure the exemption will be lifted soon as everything is opened back up now. But I liked that the state got creative and really worked to ensure the survival of more of our restaurants.

HSURB®

Pitchers of Margaritas!! Sign me up! ;-)

[JTB]

In Kansas, they put a temporary exemption in place on the current laws and allowed all bars and restaurants to sell carry out drinks. Some of the places got really creative. I know of several Mexican places that were selling carry out Pitchers of Margaritas and doing well with it. I'm sure the exemption will be lifted soon as everything is opened back up now. But I liked that the state got creative and really worked to ensure the survival of more of our restaurants.

HSURB®

They did that here in Toronto too and let Restaurants sell carry out Alcohol also, the Liquor Stores, which are GOV Owned in Ontario, never closed, they were considered an Essential Service. LoL!

We have supported many of our local Fav Restaurants throughout the Pandemic with Take Out Orders, but the sad reality is more that half of all restaurants are gonna go under.

[twobjshelbys]

They did that here in Toronto too and let Restaurants sell carry out Alcohol also, the Liquor Stores, which are GOV Owned in Ontario, never closed, they were considered an Essential Service. LoL!

We have supported many of our local Fav Restaurants throughout the Pandemic with Take Out Orders, but the sad reality is more that half of all restaurants are gonna go under.

Early on the Denver mayor closed liquor stores and pot stores. He almost got lynched. Lasted for about 3 hours.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/23/liquor-stores-dispensaries-closing-denver-shelter-in-place/

[HSURB]

Early on the Denver mayor closed liquor stores and pot stores. He almost got lynched. Lasted for about 3 hours.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/23/liquor-stores-dispensaries-closing-denver-shelter-in-place/


Announced it at 2:00 PM and had to rescind it by 6:00 PM over outrage and mass panic buying. America likes its' booze.

HSURB®

[Tommy Gun]

Taking what seriously? :popcorn:


:hey2:

[Tommy Gun]

In Kansas, they put a temporary exemption in place on the current laws and allowed all bars and restaurants to sell carry out drinks. Some of the places got really creative. I know of several Mexican places that were selling carry out Pitchers of Margaritas and doing well with it. I'm sure the exemption will be lifted soon as everything is opened back up now. But I liked that the state got creative and really worked to ensure the survival of more of our restaurants.

HSURB®


Did that here also, very surprised.

[68fastback]

Announced it at 2:00 PM and had to rescind it by 6:00 PM over outrage and mass panic buying. America likes its' booze.

HSURB®

In NYS booze was considered essential on day-1. lol They closed all seating and service inside bars but Gov signed an executive order on day-1 permitting take out booze from bars -doh- previously illegal.

[onecrazydog]

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[Alloy Dave]

It's going to take a while. Eventually new restaurants will fill-in where there's market need but that takes some time to rebalance, even when things are 'normal.'

A lot of older folks are just not going to take any chances until there is a vaccine or a cure. As a buddy of mine put it: "I'm not into gambling with my life."
Ah ha, someone finally gets it.

I know it's sad when restaurants or any business can't pay the bills...I get that. But, basic economics will rule. If there is enough demand (let's say a year from now) and many restaurants have gone under, then one of two things will have to happen. Either prices will go up quite a bit, or new restaurants will open. My guess is that for a short period, prices will go up...and in the medium run (2-3 years) new restaurants will open (or existing ones will expand), funded by low interest loans, and supply/demand will settle out. The saddest part is that the chain restaurants likely have the access to funding and the small businesses may not.

What will be interesting to know is whether the people opening the new restaurants will be the same people closing the old ones?

[Alloy Dave]

In Kansas, they put a temporary exemption in place on the current laws and allowed all bars and restaurants to sell carry out drinks. Some of the places got really creative. I know of several Mexican places that were selling carry out Pitchers of Margaritas and doing well with it. I'm sure the exemption will be lifted soon as everything is opened back up now. But I liked that the state got creative and really worked to ensure the survival of more of our alcoholics.

HSURB®
fixed

lol

[Alloy Dave]

Did that here also, very surprised.
And you are using it TODAY I hear on Facebook. :look:

[68fastback]

Coping with Corona virus -lol



https://stangsunited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26837&d=1490374384

[Tommy Gun]

And you are using it TODAY I hear on Facebook. :look:


I don’t think I said it on Facebook, but in a text. Lol

[twobjshelbys]

Seen on one of those neighborhood things about the Nevada Governor and mandatory masks:


It’s a little late in the game for mandatory masks. It’s like requiring condoms at a baby shower!!!

I'm going to assert that mandatory masks is constitutionally an "unfunded mandate" and if they demand us to wear them then they should supply them. I wonder if there will be class action suits. The government couldn't require people to sign up for Obamacare. Isn't it the same thing?

Furthermore, in all the places I've seen that require a mask, I've not seen anything that says what the mask has to be constructed. I'm going down to Home Depot and get some 1" chicken wire and have them tell me I can't go into the store.

It's all about people doing stuff before they think.

[Tommy Gun]

It’s been mandatory here too, but the statement from the governor includes wording that if for medical reasons you can’t wear one you don’t have to. And..by law a business can’t ask you what your condition is. Also, because the governor knows it’s not constitutional it can’t be enforced by police. It is technically enforced by the health dept here. As in they can close down a business....which in turn worries the business and puts enforcement in their hands. And like the health dept has time to do any of that. :rolleyes:

I haven’t seen the mask thing enforced anywhere here, but I’d say 85% of people have been complying. I’m in the 15%, I just stay away from people and crowded areas. Lol

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[tekheavy]

Here you have to wear a mask or you don't get into any stores. I haven't seen anybody not wearing a mask in any store I've been in.

[Tommy Gun]

I bet, things have been so hyped up in your area they have everyone scared to death. :(

[HSURB]

Nobody wears a mask here. This thing has a 99.8% survivability rate.

Can't wait for this election year to be behind us. It is really damaging to businesses in general.

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

Can't wait for this election year to be behind us. It is really damaging to businesses in general.

HSURB®


It only matters if Trump wins. The Dems have our balls clamped down just where they want us serbs to be. They'll dole out 1200 checks like people give treats to dogs and cats.

I can't get it through people's heads: This just delays the inevitible. YOU"RE GOING TO GET THIS! Until there is a 100% effective vaccine YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS. We still don't know if this behaves like the flu. If it does, then next year at this time we'll be going through the same thing with a morphed strain and it will never end. Finally they put the Flu deaths: About 2:1 over this so far.

[tekheavy]

It only matters if Trump wins. The Dems have our balls clamped down just where they want us serbs to be. They'll dole out 1200 checks like people give treats to dogs and cats.

I can't get it through people's heads: This just delays the inevitible. YOU"RE GOING TO GET THIS! Until there is a 100% effective vaccine YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS. We still don't know if this behaves like the flu. If it does, then next year at this time we'll be going through the same thing with a morphed strain and it will never end. Finally they put the Flu deaths: About 2:1 over this so far.

Tony, I always enjoy your positive attitude in your posts. :popcorn:

[68fastback]

:lol: but he's right -- unless you live in the upper Amazon basin and are part of a tribe of recluse hunter-gatherers :rofl3: you will likely get it at some point -- and there it will just take a little longer -lol

The only difference is that, as time goes on, there will hopefully be better therapeutics and a targeted vaccine that should collapse the death rate for older/problem folks, but until herd immunity occurs (whether naturally, after successful treatment or via vaccine) older/problem folks will be the vast majority of the area under the death curves. Even after herd immunity, people will get it but far fewer will die. Even after herd immunity, if this is a real shape-shifter we may be chasing a more broadly effective vaccine for years.

The good news is that, eventually, it will collapse ...but at what human death toll. There are several competing and non-typical vaccine approaches both here and in the UK, but I do think that this fall it will still be about therapeutics since a vaccine is unlikely until the end of 2020 at best. One novel US approach essentially directly transfers antibodies into the blood stream (shades of Salk vaccine?). One novel UK approach involves causing muscle tissue to fake-out the immune system into thinking it's Covid so you develop immunity without ever being exposed to the actual virus. I guess we shall see!

That said, Trump is attacking this head-on and has already freed millions in funding and Johnson and Johnson is already gearing-up production facilities on the assumption of a vaccine -- regardless of what the vaccine turns out to be (obviously some assumptions required and I suspect that implies multiple production tracks). J&J estimated earlier this month they will be able to produce (if I'm remembering correctly) 1M doses the first month and 100M doses the second month as a result!

The military are already planning rapid distribution throughout the US bypassing typical distribution channels. Military will 'own' distribution channel.

[twobjshelbys]

:lol: but he's right -- unless you live in the upper Amazon basin and are part of a tribe of recluse hunter-gatherers :rofl3: you will likely get it at some point -- and there it will just take a little longer -lol



You could also get a bubble...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_in_the_Plastic_Bubble

or that thing Grabber stored his car in.

[68fastback]

:lol: ...as long a no one sneezes into the intake :haha:

[Tommy Gun]

You could also get a bubble...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_in_the_Plastic_Bubble

or that thing Grabber stored his car in.


:haha:


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[Tommy Gun]

It only matters if Trump wins. The Dems have our balls clamped down just where they want us serbs to be. They'll dole out 1200 checks like people give treats to dogs and cats.

I can't get it through people's heads: This just delays the inevitible. YOU"RE GOING TO GET THIS! Until there is a 100% effective vaccine YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS. We still don't know if this behaves like the flu. If it does, then next year at this time we'll be going through the same thing with a morphed strain and it will never end. Finally they put the Flu deaths: About 2:1 over this so far.


Have you seen the flu deaths posted separate somewhere? I was looking a while back and just couldnt find the numbers...I think the flu numbers have been dumped into the corona bucket to make it look worse.

Would love to see the side by side death toll numbers between the flu and corona.

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[twobjshelbys]

Have you seen the flu deaths posted separate somewhere? I was looking a while back and just couldnt find the numbers...I think the flu numbers have been dumped into the corona bucket to make it look worse.

Would love to see the side by side death toll numbers between the flu and corona.

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The local news posted local Vegas flu deaths so far this "seaason" cumulative and the numbers were larger that Covid, but the stories weren't tied together and no cross reference made. They don't want people to associate the two since they'll see that the whole Covid thing is a hoax.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT!!! IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF BUT WHEN. Either that or bubble time until an effective vaccine is available. I'll pass on the beta test of the first one :) They'll have all sorts of claims about how their bio simulations and models show it works 100%, but then I'll remind them, as I did during a big problem session with DEC VAX engineering guys when they said "The model works perfectly" my response was "we don't ship models".

[Tommy Gun]

I’m not so much worried about possibly catching it as I am bringing it home to two people who have had surgeries in the last 6 months. :(

[Alloy Dave]

Nobody wears a mask here. This thing has a 99.8% survivability rate.

Can't wait for this election year to be behind us. It is really damaging to businesses in general.

HSURB®
Tell that to the 130,000 people that have died from it in the US. And tell it to their children, parents, grandparents, friends, co-workers. My mother in law is 86 years old...and if she gets it...she will die. Terry has not gotten within 10' of her mom in 3 months and has not been in her house/car/etc.

[Tommy Gun]

With that said, how many of those deaths were actually from the flu?

It amazes me that some states are/were showing zero flu deaths this year....


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[tekheavy]

:conspiracy:

[HSURB]

Tell that to the 130,000 people that have died from it in the US. And tell it to their children, parents, grandparents, friends, co-workers. My mother in law is 86 years old...and if she gets it...she will die. Terry has not gotten within 10' of her mom in 3 months and has not been in her house/car/etc.

If you are in an area with active cases, I would understand the mask. We don't have an active case within an 80 mile radius of us. We have no population to speak of either.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

Subject: Corona Virus Never Killed Anyone

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The subject may get your attention but the good doc* is 100% correct from all I've read -- including articles in various Science magazines, Discover and Science Digest, as well as related source material (the parts I can understand -lol) in the prestigious medical journal Cell.


That doesn't mean us older folks don't have to be careful until there's a vaccine -- we do. It also strongly suggests that the several countries that have completely reopened with no significant negative effects are doing what's right based on the science and the actual data [vs playing politics in an election year].


Don't believe the politics -- believe the science and the data. We are now testing over 700,000/day (35M so far) so, of course, new cases are rising, but few of those 'infections' result in getting the disease -- in fact, few do. And the death rate is still falling. Both are goodness. Think about this: over 95% (and maybe as high as 99.5%) of all humans on earth test positive for the flu, yet few are sick from it at any point in time and, yes, some small percentage of those who actually get sick from it die each year. Covid is similar though it is a variant that is somewhat more contagious so, eventually, neatly every human on earth will test positive for it yet few will get sick from it at any point in time and only some small percentage of those will die from it.


So it's not about if you will EVENTUALLY test positive for Covid-19, only when. and if you're older or have other conditions that render your body potentially incapable of enduring or mitigating the downstream effects of getting seriously infected, you should be very careful until you can acquire safe resistance in some form -- vaccine or otherwise -- so that WHEN you are eventually exposed AND if actually infected, you may feel sick (and maybe not) but the odds of you being hospitalized or dying from it will be very small indeed.


This doctor is technically correct that Covid actually kills no one. What kills is the cytokine storm (massive release of inflamation indicator molecules that trigger a immune response but, in some individuals, it goes unmitigated largely due to an imbalance between two types of T-cells, i.e. too high a ratio of T 'responders' to T 'regulators,' so the body is flooded with cytokine signaling molecules that goes unchecked resulting in a hyper-immune response and resulting mucosa-cell detritus that disables the normal cellular recovery processes. If you can't get oxygen from your lungs you die by suffocation.


Yes, an infection is necessary to trigger any cytokine storm and Covid is not the only infection that can trigger one and, yes, it's only a significant problem in certain individuals for whom it is devastating -- essentially the body is killing itself by overreacting to a relatively minor infection in an unregulated manner -- which only occurs in certain individuals whether older or having, naturally or otherwise, conditions impairing regulating T-cells and ultimately resulting in diminished ability to keep oxygenating your blood -- once advanced, respirators can't help if your cells can't function.


With that perspective, this doctor's article makes a lot of sense. He also touches on the efficacy of certain drugs and when they are administered. If I haven't already bored you to death, it's a worthwhile read.

https://noqreport.com/2020/07/07/covid-19-never-killed-anybody/

* Dr. Noel is a retired physician who is trained in Critical Care Medicine. He writes on medical and political issues

[HSURB]

Really let down to see this today. I've heard it a couple times earlier, but this is the first article.

HSURB®

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/ford-motors-police-ford-foundation/

[68fastback]

Really let down to see this today. I've heard it a couple times earlier, but this is the first article.

HSURB®

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/ford-motors-police-ford-foundation/

That's sad.

While the Ford Foundation has had no relationship to Ford Motor Company for over 30 years (article at Law Enforcement Today (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/ford-foundation-donates-millions-to-defund-the-police/)) last Thursday Henry Ford III was voted to the Foundation's board which, in essence, does again connect FMC to the Foundation, if only indirectly. As I read the Law Enforcement Today article I had to wonder if FMC may not have been aware of the Foundation's recent directions in philanthropy, especially since much seems redirected through other outlets. FMC has spent millions on rebuilding Detroit (if you add in Central Station it may be approaching a billion by now) so this may be an unfortunate contradiction that puts them in a bad situation. I hope FMC addresses it in some way -- to put things in some perspective, whatever that is.

[HSURB]

Unfortunately, Ford is fully aware.

HSURB®

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/09/adult-in-the-room-ford-ceo-responds-to-employee-demand-to-stop-making-police-vehicles-n624395

[68fastback]

Unfortunately, Ford is fully aware.

HSURB®

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/09/adult-in-the-room-ford-ceo-responds-to-employee-demand-to-stop-making-police-vehicles-n624395

Well, they surely are vis-a-vis police cruisers, but I don't know what they really know -- like most of Corporate America they are probably clueless what BLM actually is for. It has little to do with all black lives actually mattering and everything to do with cancel-culture, anarchy and being used politically to appease the far left in the democrat party. The sad part is that there are undoubtedly some in BLM who still believe it is a true and noble cause -- that train left the station in 2016.

Corporate America got hoodwinked into a 'me too-esque' support posture because it's political suicide if people think you think black lives don't matter (of course, all lives matter) even though to BLM black lives taken by black-on-black violence every weekend in our cities violence don't matter one bit to BLM -- as evidenced by BLM not taking a position on even one of the many black kids killed by errant gunfire in recent weeks.

Corporate America got hoodwinked on a BLM bait-and-switch campaign carefully crafted, funded and orchestrated by Obama's Soros-funded minions to put corporate America in a political box. Now corporate America, and many others, are terrified to take a more well-defined position for fear of misunderstanding and backlash and/or pro-active violence.

Ford got caught in a tighter knot, imo, because they make police cruisers (which they have said they will still make, of course) because clearly anything that supports law and order is evil to these anarchist morons and must be eradicated -doh. Notice how a 'favored' corporation, like Nike, never got called out for making shoes in sweatshops, etc. ...clearly yellow and brown and black lives in other countries don't matter to BLM just as black lives taken by other blacks don't matter to them here.

BLM is a clever political scam masquerading as a meaningful cause, imo ...oh, and funded by Soros via his NGOs and organized at arms-length by Obama and his 30,000 civilian shadow government minions throughout the US -- which also funds BLM, Antifa and other subversives all cleverly using names that try to make them appear acceptable. They are lawless subversives, anarchists and, in essence, domestic terrorists.

Companies like Ford and Nike won't (can't?) come to grips with that unless the public smacks them in the face with a reality check, imo, and,rtight now, exactly how that is done short of massive letter-writing campaigns, is unclear because simply not buying their products is way to subtle, slow and invisible to be effective ...esp during this Covid crap.

[HSURB]

Antifa needs labeled as a domestic terrorist group and any violence that happens as part of the BLM needs fully prosecuted.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

:iagree:

Barr is trying to go after them but without any assistance from those 20 democrat-run cities where they wreaked havoc it will not be easy.

[Tommy Gun]

Thought this was corona virus related :look:



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[tekheavy]

:doh:

[twobjshelbys]

Nevada taking huge step back. All "bars" are closed. We were eating at our favorite restaurant/pub this morning and the email came on the phone that all locations except two (the one we were at and the other across town) would be closed completely and these would keep the restaurants open. So people that came off unemployment are back on.

I wonder how much longer the citizens are going to put up with this.

And now the big thing is that "young people" are getting it. Well, they always were getting it, but 99% of them show no symptoms. So now we're trying to stop them from getting it. Idiots don't understand: Having a population of people that get it and then get over it DEFINES HERD IMMUNITY!!! The only way we decrease this mess is to make it so there are fewer carriers.

The dems control over the way this information is presented is starting to get on my nerves. They claim it's all science but the defy science.

[68fastback]

Nevada taking huge step back. All "bars" are closed. We were eating at our favorite restaurant/pub this morning and the email came on the phone that all locations except two (the one we were at and the other across town) would be closed completely and these would keep the restaurants open. So people that came off unemployment are back on.

I wonder how much longer the citizens are going to put up with this.

And now the big thing is that "young people" are getting it. Well, they always were getting it, but 99% of them show no symptoms. So now we're trying to stop them from getting it. Idiots don't understand: Having a population of people that get it and then get over it DEFINES HERD IMMUNITY!!! The only way we decrease this mess is to make it so there are fewer carriers.

The dems control over the way this information is presented is starting to get on my nerves. They claim it's all science but the defy science.

Me too ...younger people are now testing positive b/c we're now testing 750,000/day and anyone with so much as a sniffle is told to get tested. We also now know that younger people who do test positive with no symptoms don't infect others and those with mild symptoms produce and expel orders of magnitude less virus so don't as readily infect others.

Yup, herd immunity is key. I suspect that even older people exposed to only trace amounts of the virus may not be in serious jeopardy (mother nature's 'inoculation') but I don't think anyone is screening for that because it's too difficult to get reliable trace data and older people are not going to volunteer for such testing (lol) until there is a drug proven to dramatically slow virual reproduction. Even then, I'm not volunteering -lol

Of course HCQ+AZith.+zinc slows it down (it's the zinc -- the HCQ opens a path for the zinc into the mucosa cells and the Azithromycin is just to quell rebound infections) but is really most effective when started in the first couple days of symptoms -- before infected cell reproduction goes [ahem] viral ...before older/weaker/compromised immune systems can't keep up and clear cellular debris before you suffocate.

And even if you go on a respirator, get Remdesivir therapy and maybe even survive, other organs (especially the heart) can (and, we now know, likely will) be permanently damaged because hyper-elevated heart rates plus oxygen starvation does real damage even if you don't succumb to a heart attack. It's a wicked process once the cytokine storm is underway and mitigation doesn't happen for whatever reason.

Even with a vaccine, older/weaker/compromised immune systems can still be get fairly serious infections but are unlikely to be hospitalized or die -- just like the flu.

[HSURB]

Nevada taking huge step back. All "bars" are closed. We were eating at our favorite restaurant/pub this morning and the email came on the phone that all locations except two (the one we were at and the other across town) would be closed completely and these would keep the restaurants open. So people that came off unemployment are back on.

I wonder how much longer the citizens are going to put up with this.

And now the big thing is that "young people" are getting it. Well, they always were getting it, but 99% of them show no symptoms. So now we're trying to stop them from getting it. Idiots don't understand: Having a population of people that get it and then get over it DEFINES HERD IMMUNITY!!! The only way we decrease this mess is to make it so there are fewer carriers.

The dems control over the way this information is presented is starting to get on my nerves. They claim it's all science but the defy science.

I found this a good read. Especially in the later part of the article. The 81% really intrigued me.

HSURB®

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/whitney-looks-sweden-was-right-after-all

[twobjshelbys]

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And even if you go on a respirator, get Remdesivir therapy and maybe even survive, other organs (especially the heart) can (and, we now know, likely will) be permanently damaged because hyper-elevated heart rates plus oxygen starvation does real damage even if you don't succumb to a heart attack. It's a wicked process once the cytokine storm is underway and mitigation doesn't happen for whatever reason.

Even with a vaccine, older/weaker/compromised immune systems can still be get fairly serious infections but are unlikely to be hospitalized or die -- just like the flu.

Yes, we are now flooded with news stories about survivors from ventillators telling how awful it was and is. Well, dude, the other alternative was a dirt nap. And, you're COVID is nothing special. What happened to you happens to virtually everyone on a ventillator for more than a day or two, you're not special. Just remember, you're vertical.

[twobjshelbys]

I found this a good read. Especially in the later part of the article. The 81% really intrigued me.

HSURB®

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/whitney-looks-sweden-was-right-after-all


Here's the key operating premise in Sweden:

The Swedish model is a threat to that approach because it allows people to maintain their personal freedom even in the midst of a global pandemic. Ruling class elites don’t want that, that is not in their interests.

Yep, that's it. The outcome is fixed. It's only a matter of when you get there. Getting there EARLIER is better for everyone, including the economy.

They realize that Herd Immunity is the key - the sooner you expose those who are unlikely to be affected the sooner you build up free social distancing!!!

We were led into this mess by politicians and politically appointed medical staff whose job it is to echo the politicians. Lemmings to the edge of the sea. And people bought it lock stock and barrell.

I'm still going to go to Home Depot and make a mask from 1" chicken wire. They can't do anything about it since nowhere in all of the governor's dictums does it say what technical specs of the mask must conform to.

[HSURB]

Here's the key operating premise in Sweden:


Yep, that's it. The outcome is fixed. It's only a matter of when you get there. Getting there EARLIER is better for everyone, including the economy.

They realize that Herd Immunity is the key - the sooner you expose those who are unlikely to be affected the sooner you build up free social distancing!!!

We were led into this mess by politicians and politically appointed medical staff whose job it is to echo the politicians. Lemmings to the edge of the sea. And people bought it lock stock and barrell.

I'm still going to go to Home Depot and make a mask from 1" chicken wire. They can't do anything about it since nowhere in all of the governor's dictums does it say what technical specs of the mask must conform to.

We want photos of the Mask!!!!!!

HSURB®

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This caught my attention in that article too:

What this tells us is that the fatality rate is a more reliable barometer of what is taking place than the spike in new cases. And what the death rates signals is that the virus is on its last legs. We are not seeing the onset of a second wave, but the gradual ending of the first.

[68fastback]

I like the chicken-wire idea :lol:

I superimposed a pic of the covered part of my face onto an old 3M dust mask -- just for laughs. Printed face pic on printable fabric then cut out that part and stuck it on the mask :giggle:

I don't have a pic but if I do another one I'll post it up ;-)

[twobjshelbys]

This caught my attention in that article too:

What this tells us is that the fatality rate is a more reliable barometer of what is taking place than the spike in new cases. And what the death rates signals is that the virus is on its last legs. We are not seeing the onset of a second wave, but the gradual ending of the first.


I've been saying all along that this new reporting of just tests is a classic case of How To Lie With Statistics. Between the two data points we have and had (infection rate, death rate) the infection rate is polluted by the tests of people that show no symptoms. The best that the new testing rate can be used for is to project what the ACTUAL INFECTION RATE WAS 3 MONTHS AGO...

[HSURB]

I've been saying all along that this new reporting of just tests is a classic case of How To Lie With Statistics. Between the two data points we have and had (infection rate, death rate) the infection rate is polluted by the tests of people that show no symptoms. The best that the new testing rate can be used for is to project what the ACTUAL INFECTION RATE WAS 3 MONTHS AGO...

BINGO - this hoax is close to over.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

+ 2:iagree:

I'm convinced the only reason the shutdown occurred was politics on the front-end and, if you didn't do it, the death rate on the back-end would be portrayed as wildly inflated [no matter the numbers] over what 'could' have been if there was a shutdown -- so it was [by design] politically [architected and] unavoidable.

Besides, the 'expert' docs really didn't know much about it and, if they did vis-a-vis SARS/flu/etc analogue, they either didn't know how much would apply and, if they did, were [understandably] clearly not willing to take any risk. In a way it's an even better 'wedge' than BLM because, either way, you'd be killed -- politically -- if you didn't shut down.

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Btw, have you seen the 2015 pics of Fauci and Obama in the newly opened Wuhan lab -- when Obama gave the Chinese Communist Party $3.75M to outfit the virology unit to study SARS variants? The research was started in the US and Canada and when Obama pulled the plug on Fauci's pet project, the Obama administration paid China to pick it up in Wuhan. What could go wrong? :doh2:

[twobjshelbys]

+ 2:iagree:

I'm convinced the only reason the shutdown occurred was politics on the front-end and, if you didn't do it, any death rate would be portrayed as wildly inflated over what could have been if there was a shutdown, so it was [by design] politically unavoidable. It's an even better ploy than BLM.

The BLM thing really frosts my pumpkin. Now in Seattle whites are being asked to "surrender"

https://thepostmillennial.com/city-of-seattle-diversity-training-sessions

I got EEOd (Equal Employment Opportunity) out of several promotions for an unqualified idiot because of race and sex.

[68fastback]

...this 3 min Tucker clip touches on undoing your whiteness. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxiFf89cYNg) Even scarier, the woman who wrote the 'manual' on how whites need to do that has become a celebrity of sorts and the manual has become MANDATORY reading in most school districts across America (all the big cities are democrat) either by the teachers or, in some districts, by the students -- not to mention in some corporations. It's crazy!

Btw, NYC's school system is 84% non-white -- clearly those kids in the 16% are so privileged and such a threat that any semblance of self-worth must be eradicated in the name of anti-racism -- what bullsh!t!

[Tommy Gun]

Only Tek gets me, that’s weird lol

[Tommy Gun]

The BLM thing really frosts my pumpkin. Now in Seattle whites are being asked to "surrender"

https://thepostmillennial.com/city-of-seattle-diversity-training-sessions

I got EEOd (Equal Employment Opportunity) out of several promotions for an unqualified idiot because of race and sex.



My first thought of this is against everything we know constitutionally right now. This company doing this would go down so quick in court it isn’t even funny....what has happened w this? If I was in this “meeting” I would stand up and go straight to a lawyer.


This is stupid, did it really happen? And what is being done about it?

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