2020 Corona/Covid19 Virus...

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Covid-19 advice from infectious disease expert...

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The following is forwarded from Irene Ken physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University. Thank you Don Newman for this information.

Please forward to everyone you care about.
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* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; they cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics, but quickly disintegrate its structure with everything said.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, , 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT (sunlight) on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, UV also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* This is super said, but you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.



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Rudy Giuliani has now done a Common Sense YouTube segment on the Covid-19 treatment that's proving so successful in the Kiryas Joel orthodox Jewish community of 35,000 in downstate NY that was so hard-hit by Covid-19.

Here's the video if you want to watch it -- the doctor treating virtually all of the Covid-19 patients there is Dr. Vladmir Zelenko. He shares the preliminary results of his treatment study of 669 high-risk patients (was around 500 at the time of the interview, since updated to 669).

Results: zero deaths and only four hospitalizations!

Below I'll detail the treatment and it's rationale per the video (if you decide not to view it).

But, first, here's the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8

Okay, you've probably heard of Dr. Zelenko's treatment. It's a hybrid adapted by him based on S.Korea and France's work on viral infections. The treatment is not a cure -- it buys time to permit your body to develop the antigens necessary to stop the viral destruction. Those who die from Covid-19 do so within 5-days of developing symptoms because in older (over 60) and/or those with impaired immune systems due to other diseases, the body runs out of time to fend off the viral infection.

Here's the treatment and then I'll explain how it works:

THE TREATMENT IS 5 DAYS -- each item below is taken for only 5 days (there's no cost but, in actuality, the drugs are dirt cheap and cost only $20 for the 5 days!):

= Zithromax: 500 mg ONCE/day for 5 days
= Hydroxychloraquine: 200 mg TWICE/day for 5 days
= Zinc: 220 mg ONCE/day for 5 days

How it works:
It's the zinc that does the magic. Covid-19 kills by overwhelming the cells in the lungs. Zinc dramatically slows the ability of the virus to infect the cells of the lung but it's nearly impossible to get the zinc into the cells (higher doses of zinc can be deadly). So, all the Hydrozychloraquine does is open a chemical "channel" to enable the zinc to get into the cells in the lungs. The Zithromaz does nothing for Covid-19 but prevents a weakened body from getting infected by opportunistic bacteria as a result of the devastation Covid-19 wreaks on the lungs. It's all about the zinc dramatically slowing the ability of virus to take over the lung cells' machinery for it's own purpose so that the body can fight the infection with it's own immuno-antigens. 669 cases of high-risk individuals and zero deaths using the above protocol. View the entire video for more details. While Rudy conducts the interview he also slows the process down (as he's taking notes) but Doc Zelenko's explanations are clear and concise.


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Link: CDC GUIDANCE ON NOVEL CORONA VIRUS (SARS COV-19). (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html)

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IMPORTANT: CORONA (Covid-19) ADVICE THAT EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT FROM...





Please share this with family and friends:

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can you know if you are infected? By the time you have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% fibrosis. Don't wait for symptoms -- do the test below every morning!

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning: Take a deep breath and hold it for more than 10 seconds. If you do this successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, there is no fibrosis in the lungs; it basically indicates no infection. In critical times, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.

Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and then the lungs. That's very dangerous.


Please share this with family and friends...

IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERNING CORONAVIRUS:
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold.
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees C. -- about 77 degrees F. It hates the Sun -- UV kills it.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it goes about 10 feet before mist drops to the ground and is no longer airborne..
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface, wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice [I use 1/2 tsp in 4 ounces WARM water -ed.]
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!

PROGRESSION OF SYMPTOMS -- do the daily deep-breath test (see above) and seek medical care IMMEDIATELY if you cannot pass the test.
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs,
causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

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Contrary to earlier reports, it's now confirmed by CDC that Covid19 can remain viable on hard surfaces up to nine days, especially on plastics. :yikes:

Previously the assumption was hours to a day, like the flu.

Fortunately, sunshine/UV is disinfectant, as is isopropyl 91% alcohol -- which has always been my go-to disinfectant and is dirt cheap.

[Tommy Gun]

They have been saying 9 days for a while now.

Hopefully this will all be over soon..

[twobjshelbys]

The reality is that when they start processing the tests the number of cases will explode. Yet the vast majority of them will have had no symptoms. That is, if they ever get enough processing capacity to actually process the tests that have been submitted. Just think unprocessed rape kits * 10E9

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Yeah, I agree.

4M test kits shipped Monday and should be orderable by docs by Thursday. Another 6M will follow shortly (don't recall date).

[tekheavy]

Wow, no travel between the US and Europe for 30 days starting Friday. This is going to cripple a lot of airline companies.

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POTUS Corona virus address tonight was well done -- doing all the right things, imo, tho I don't think the payroll tax abatement through YE'20 will fly with the Congress.

Travel from Europe (except the UK) to the US will cease Friday at midnight for at least 30 days.

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Btw, Tom Hanks and his wife felt tired w/fever while filming in Autralia, went to doc, got tested -- both tested positive for Covid-19 ...quarantined in Australia for at least 2 weeks.

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Wow, no travel between the US and Europe for 30 days starting Friday. This is going to cripple a lot of airline companies.

Yeah, along with China, S.Korea, Japan, etc. Probably why White House met with the airlines and cruise industries recently.

Btw, NBA season cancelled after tonight's game until further notice.

Several colleges have already announced not to come back after spring break ...until further notice.

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I expect Biden to somehow use all this as an excuse to not debate Bernie this Sunday ...if anyway he can.

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They have been saying 9 days for a while now.

Hopefully this will all be over soon..

Who knows? I expect we'll be in 'expansion' until summer (at least). At least it will be easier to contain with Trump having shut down inbound travel from the most infected countries.

[tekheavy]

Tom Hanks and his wife have the virus. :faint:

[onecrazydog]

Contrary to earlier reports, it's now confirmed by CDC that Covid19 can remain viable on hard surfaces up to nine days, especially on plastics. :yikes:

Previously the assumption was hours to a day, like the flu.

Fortunately, sunshine/UV is disinfectant, as is isopropyl 91% alcohol -- which has always been my go-to disinfectant and is dirt cheap.

Sounds like a bio weapon...

Either way, not worried about it...

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Could be a bio weapon ...Wuhan has China's premiere bioweapons lab which opened in 2017.

In mid Feb I saw a genetics assessment that opined it is very similar to SARS except with a modified core that is unusual for this type of virus in that it appeared designed to be highly contagious to humans. The implication was a super-long incubation is unusual and makes it VERY hard to control. I would not put it past China. They effectively control the global market of raw drug materials. India does most of the contract compounding using Chinese material sourcing. In 2-4 months we could see widespread generic drug shortages as the Chinese shut downs ripple through India's supply chain. That would give China great power to hold over the global drug supply. In fact, it's been reported that the Chinese communist party has been putting pressure on Xi to do exactly that to use as a weapon against US trade policy. Who knows?

[Tommy Gun]

All this is bigger than someone is saying, money maker for someone...or bio weapon gone bad.

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...compounded by rank politics

[twobjshelbys]

NHL suspended play. May resume later. NBA did the same...

Looks like NCAA March Madness is at risk.

[twobjshelbys]

Princess Cruise Line canceling all cruises world wide for 60 days

https://www.princess.com/news/notices_and_advisories/notices/global-ship-operations-pause.html

Our friends who we will be going on the South America adventure with were leaving in a week or two for a Caribbean cruise and it's been cancelled...

[Alloy Dave]

I'm definitely not an alarmist, but this is getting bad.

I'm taking common-sense precautions...I have anti bacterial in my truck and now use it every time I come out of a public place.

I'm not staying home though...I'll continue as much as usual as I can, but washing hands and not hugging/shaking hands I think are good common sense things to do.

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Well, we have our first local Corona virus damage.

Formisano bakery, who makes and distributes all manner of baked goods to many regional commercial outlets (including schools), was reportedly informed that one employee from the Town of Rochester tested positive for Covid19, so they are shut down -- all employees in quarantine.

http://www.formisanobakery.com/

I looked into this b/c when passing by to visit friends Sunday afternoon I noticed that everything looked shut down -- no lights and no activity.

Hope no one else got infected and this does not put the business under. :

Good news! Apparently they were shut down for a while because today they reopened! :banana: Only saw one of their many trucks being used but it was afternoon so they're normally done for the day by then.

That was our county's only case but now there are 4.

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I'm definitely not an alarmist, but this is getting bad.

I'm taking common-sense precautions...I have anti bacterial in my truck and now use it every time I come out of a public place.

I'm not staying home though...I'll continue as much as usual as I can, but washing hands and not hugging/shaking hands I think are good common sense things to do.

Totally agree! Makes sense to me.

[HSURB]

I'm definitely not an alarmist, but this is getting bad.

I'm taking common-sense precautions...I have anti bacterial in my truck and now use it every time I come out of a public place.

I'm not staying home though...I'll continue as much as usual as I can, but washing hands and not hugging/shaking hands I think are good common sense things to do.


For once, I'm kinda glad I live out in the middle of nowhere.

HSURB®

[JTB]

Some progress... https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020

[Alloy Dave]

We need all the progress we can get! This thing is causing a lot of disruption.

[twobjshelbys]

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Some progress... https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020

Awesome!

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No shortages of stuff around here ...tho CVS has pulled it's hand sanitizers behind the counter so someone can't buy the whole shelf -lol

[twobjshelbys]

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No shortages of stuff around here ...tho CVS has pulled it's hand sanitizers behind the counter so someone can't buy the whole shelf -lol

Well, this has changed over the last week. Staples like pasta, tuna, canned soups are mostly gone. TP, hand sanitizer and isopropyl 91% are completely gone! Surprisingly, fresh meats are 80-90% empty ...people must have big freezers! It's like no one had a pantry -- until now. :lol: Weird!

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:lol:

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1347-1420 Bubonic Plague
1720 Plague
1820 Worldwide Cholera outbreak
1920 Spanish Flu Pandemic
2020 Chinese Covid-19 Pandemic

Hmmm. Good news is we'll all miss he next. :lol:

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:spitcopy:

https://thefunnybeaver.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/funny-face-mask-prepare-yourselves.jpg

[tekheavy]

Why toilet paper? Does Coronavirus give you diarrhea? :fartrocket:

[twobjshelbys]

Well, this has changed over the last week. Staples like pasta, tuna, canned soups are mostly gone. TP, hand sanitizer and isopropyl 91% are completely gone! Surprisingly, fresh meats are 80-90% empty ...people must have big freezers! It's like no one had a pantry -- until now. :lol: Weird!

My daughter works at a Safeway in Colorado, she is often in charge of the store. The store manager reported to her today that they had done like 3x the normal business each day for the past 3 days. Of course, that money represents unused stock moved from their shelves to someone's cupboards, meaning that soon their income will drop because people have laid in a 3 month supply of everything they need.

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Why toilet paper? Does Coronavirus give you diarrhea? :fartrocket:

No, it doesn't. Dunno wuzzup but I guess people think if you get sick and can't shop that's something you don't want to run out of ...that's all I can think of ...makes no sense.

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My daughter works at a Safeway in Colorado, she is often in charge of the store. The store manager reported to her today that they had done like 3x the normal business each day for the past 3 days. Of course, that money represents unused stock moved from their shelves to someone's cupboards, meaning that soon their income will drop because people have laid in a 3 month supply of everything they need.

Will be interesting to see how fast stores are able to get restocked.

[Alloy Dave]

https://www.amazon.com/3M-8511-Respirator-Valve-20-PACK/dp/B07YZRZV6X/ref=sr_1_4?crid=DG36DXOFRNCO&dchild=1&keywords=n95+mask&qid=1584170477&sprefix=N95%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-4


lol....click on the available sellers button....supplier is “Longwang” Enterprises

[Alloy Dave]

Just for kicks I thought I’d follow the cruise ship we were supposed to be on. Our departure was not until May....but found this tool.

https://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/royal-caribbean-international/oasis-of-the-seas/

Oasis of the Seas left Cozumel last night.

Will continue watching to see if it gets grounded at some point.

[68fastback]

EVERYONE -- please read post#1 (https://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?9481-2020-Corona-Covid19-Virus)

Based on cases in the US and Japan it's now clear you should NOT wait for symptoms to develop -- there is a simple test you can perform EVERY MORNING to detect Covid-19 BEFORE symptoms develop. If you wait for symptoms to express themselves your lungs are already 50% fibrosis.

This is not a joke. Please see post #1 and share with family and friends.

[twobjshelbys]

EVERYONE -- please read post#1 (https://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?9481-2020-Corona-Covid19-Virus)

Based on cases in the US and Japan it's now clear you should NOT wait for symptoms to develop -- there is a simple test you can perform EVERY MORNING to detect Covid-19 BEFORE symptoms develop. If you wait for symptoms to express themselves your lungs are already 50% fibrosis.

This is not a joke. Please see post #1 and share with family and friends.

I saw the following earlier this morning. It says not adequate. Not sure what to think myself. It seems to me that if the hold your breath thing actually fails then you might be a little too far into it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-disowns-breathing-test-claim-for-coronavirus-as-misinformation

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I saw the following earlier this morning. It says not adequate. Not sure what to think myself. It seems to me that if the hold your breath thing actually fails then you might be a little too far into it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-disowns-breathing-test-claim-for-coronavirus-as-misinformation

Interesting! I don't think the 50% was intended to be an accurate measure as much as indicative that lung damage has already occurred. Still, sounds like someone took basically good information but falsely attributed it to Stanford. Anything that indicates pneumonia lung damage prior to symptoms expressing is goodness though it seems this might not be specifically indicative of Covid. That's unfortunate. Also troubling is that someone would release what may well be misleading information.

Now I'm not so sure.. That breathing test is generally used to indicate lung infection damage, e.g. pleurisy (which I've had and no way you can pass that test with pleurisy) so seemed okay to me.

Should I take down post#1? Any opinions?

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It must be getting REALLY bad in Europe ...this Purell hand sanitizer has only been on auction 2 days now and the bids are truly absurd!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PURELL-Advanced-Alcohol-Hand-Rub-Gel-Sanitiser-Pump-Bottle-300ml/164123106769?hash=item26367fddd1:g:J~AAAOSwhWtea8m 6

[tekheavy]

It must be getting REALLY bad in Europe ...this Purell hand sanitizer has only been on auction 2 days now and the bids are truly absurd!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PURELL-Advanced-Alcohol-Hand-Rub-Gel-Sanitiser-Pump-Bottle-300ml/164123106769?hash=item26367fddd1:g:J~AAAOSwhWtea8m 6

I guess it got removed.

[Alloy Dave]

Interesting! I don't think the 50% was intended to be an accurate measure as much as indicative that lung damage has already occurred. Still, sounds like someone took basically good information but falsely attributed it to Stanford. Anything that indicates pneumonia lung damage prior to symptoms expressing is goodness though it seems this might not be specifically indicative of Covid. That's unfortunate. Also troubling is that someone would release what may well be misleading information.

Now I'm not so sure.. That breathing test is generally used to indicate lung infection damage, e.g. pleurisy (which I've had and no way you can pass that test with pleurisy) so seemed okay to me.

Should I take down post#1? Any opinions?

id leave up but make a note there are conflicting opinions as to whether this is valid.

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Seems eBay just took down the above auction ...one medium bottle of Purell Advanced Hand Sanitizer pump bottle was bid-up to 1,300GBP (about $1,600!) :faint:

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This guy a least has a sense of humor...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-Toilet-Paper-FREE-How-to-Keep-Your-Hiney-Clean/164122979022?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.S EED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225086%26meid%3D7ade3ec65da34 a9fb2cec9b53fa57198%26pid%3D100903%26rk%3D3%26rkt% 3D20%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D324103084997%26itm%3D16 4122979022%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2510209&_trksid=p2510209.c100903.m5276

[Tommy Gun]

1347-1420 Bubonic Plague
1720 Plague
1820 Worldwide Cholera outbreak
1920 Spanish Flu Pandemic
2020 Chinese Covid-19 Pandemic

Hmmm. Good news is we'll all miss he next. :lol:





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[68fastback]

Yeah, there have been plenty of variants!

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Link: CDC GUIDANCE ON NOVEL CORONA VIRUS (SARS COV-19). (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html)

[HSURB]

Where is everyone at?

I'm not cut out for this Social Distancing. Currently going insane.

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

We went to our usual breakfast place with our friends this morning. It seemed to be business as usual. For Sunday I've seen it busier and I've seen it emptier.

[HSURB]

They just ordered the closure of all Bars and Restaurants in Illinois and now Ohio.

Coming soon to a location near you.

HSURB®

[tekheavy]

All schools closed on Long Island for the next two weeks.

[twobjshelbys]

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All schools closed on Long Island for the next two weeks.


Same here...

[HSURB]

Fed takes Prime Interest Rate to 0%.

Hmmmmm

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

This is an economy killer and is the recession the Dems wanted.

The market futures for Monday predict another -10% day.

Nevada closed all schools until 6-Apr.

[onecrazydog]

Where is everyone at?

I'm not cut out for this Social Distancing. Currently going insane.

HSURB®


I've been sitting here eating popcorn, and watching the world around me go insane...

[onecrazydog]

Fed takes Prime Interest Rate to 0%.

Hmmmmm

HSURB®




Trump is taking them down... Sooner he destroys it, the better we will be...

[twobjshelbys]

I'm developing this uncontrollable urge to go buy all the toilet paper I can lay my hands on. Or should I wait until the first-round hoarders have a fire sale?

Funny, noone is having a run on beer.

Or guns and ammo.

[onecrazydog]

The main stream media talking heads should be put in jail for causing this panic...

[onecrazydog]

I'm developing this uncontrollable urge to go buy all the toilet paper I can lay my hands on.

Funny, noone is having a run on beer.

Or guns and ammo.


Just buy enough for 4 to 6 weeks, because this will go out as fast as the panic came in...

[onecrazydog]

Now I see why they don't tell us about the aliens...

[twobjshelbys]

Just buy enough for 4 to 6 weeks, because this will go out as fast as the panic came in...

Odd thing is that is what we usually buy. For TP that is. We go to sams about every 5 or 6 weeks and buy one of the big packs. Lasts us that long.

Beer, not that long. Might have to refresh that tomorrow come to think of it.

Have all the guns/ammo I need.

[twobjshelbys]

Now I see why they don't tell us about the aliens...

Or asteroids.

[Tommy Gun]

Where is everyone at?

I'm not cut out for this Social Distancing. Currently going insane.

HSURB®

I haven’t changed anything yet.

[Tommy Gun]

I'm developing this uncontrollable urge to go buy all the toilet paper I can lay my hands on. Or should I wait until the first-round hoarders have a fire sale?

Funny, noone is having a run on beer.

Or guns and ammo.


Last week around here was panic buying for ammo. Lots of stores out of popular calibers. Brother in the gun biz says some distributors totally out in our area. :(

[onecrazydog]

Odd thing is that is what we usually buy. For TP that is. We go to sams about every 5 or 6 weeks and buy one of the big packs. Lasts us that long.



Same here, glad I picked up the 30 pack of triple rolls just before the craze hit... I have quite a few double rolls of paper towels too, but I use them a lot in the garage...

[Tommy Gun]

Now I see why they don't tell us about the aliens...



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[onecrazydog]

Vitamin C, 1000 - 2000 mg a day is good for the immune system... I bet the stores still have lots of that...

[twobjshelbys]

Wynn and Encore (the same place) closing for two weeks. Probably the first of many Las Vegas properties that will close down.

Shelby canceled their "bash" but never posted it on the Shelby forum just on Facebook. They've given up on the forum, I expect it will close down soon.

[twobjshelbys]

If you're looking for a good show to binge watch while locked in try giving Hunters (streaming on Amazon Prime) a shot. Al Pacino is great and the ending will surprise you.

[68fastback]

This is an economy killer and is the recession the Dems wanted.

The market futures for Monday predict another -10% day.

Nevada closed all schools until 6-Apr.

NYC today closed all schools until 20 April.

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I'm much more concerned about the infection spreading at a more 'wild' rate than I am about the market per se. It will surely expand but, with various controls, the expansion RATE should start levelling by the end of April -- START levelling. If that's the case the market will no longer be a 'problem' because it runs on knowing risk -- not knowing (which is where we are now) forces actions akin to knowing the worst likely case which is what the market is currently in the process of digesting on a daily basis and that equals a seemingly unpredictable daily ride --but it's merely reflecting the daily perception of changing risk.

Once the impact of the virus becomes more known and risk becomes based on real data which is currently sketchy at best (likely far less sketchy +/- end of April) the market will find a more stable direction. If the data is substantially worse than the worst-likely assumptions they have baked-in to date, the market will adjust even lower. If the data shows better than the baked worst-likely assumptions the market will restart its growth albeit in fits and starts as risk shifts from virus-impact to recovery logistics.

The good news, I think, is that responsible business and money managers are almost invariably conservative and need to err on the side of predicting and managing to a worst-likely (but not the absolute worst) outcome -- and that's goodness, imo.

Honestly, I'm not really worried about the market. No one, except maybe some of the most savvy managers, want to be on the unplanned roller coaster ride but, once on, the ride is typically the most sensible relative path. Whether having bought the tourist ticket (most of us) or hedging the in-flight rises and buying the in-fight dips based on complex and dynamic daily (and even hourly) assessments few are capable of, for most of us the "serenity prayer" comes to mind.

[68fastback]

Last week around here was panic buying for ammo. Lots of stores out of popular calibers. Brother in the gun biz says some distributors totally out in our area. :(

That's what I've heard too.

[68fastback]

Vitamin C, 1000 - 2000 mg a day is good for the immune system... I bet the stores still have lots of that...

I have about a years worth and take every day (for the last 50+ years). I figure it can't hurt!

[onecrazydog]

I have about a years worth and take every day (for the last 50+ years). I figure it can't hurt!


That's why you are so healthy!! :webers:

[68fastback]

That's why you are so healthy!! :webers:

...may be :lol:

[68fastback]

Fed takes Prime Interest Rate to 0%.

Hmmmmm

HSURB®

You predicted that right, Tim!! :wtg:

Should help businesses plan their post-peak-Covid19 business w/o liquidity worries.

Mnuchin said today they are considering letting small business draw against any payments already made to the IRS ...sort of sounded like a no red tape variation of zero interest [short term?] loan, tho dunno how it might be implemented or if Congress would have to pass legislation.

[twobjshelbys]

Wynn and Encore (the same place) closing for two weeks. Probably the first of many Las Vegas properties that will close down.

Shelby canceled their "bash" but never posted it on the Shelby forum just on Facebook. They've given up on the forum, I expect it will close down soon.

MGM closing all their properties by Tuesday. That's most of the strip

[Tommy Gun]

I wonder if they’ll push back tax day. :pray:

Lol

[twobjshelbys]

Another 10%+ drop. One or two more of these and people will be jumping from the windows of skyscrapers.

[68fastback]

Another 10%+ drop. One or two more of these and people will be jumping from the windows of skyscrapers.

Nah. Skyscraper windows don't open :haha:

[68fastback]

I wonder if they’ll push back tax day. :pray:

Lol

It's one of the things that was mentioned by the admin but haven't heard if it's in the House Bill (that goes to Senate tomorrow) ...I suspect not and dunno if Senate will try to add it.

[twobjshelbys]

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[JTB]

The Canadian :canada:Border is Closed.
Only Canadian Citizens and American Citizens may enter now, until further notice.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-shutting-the-border-to-most-non-citizens-due-to-covid-19-pm-trudeau-1.4854503

[68fastback]

The Canadian :canada:Border is Closed.
Only Canadian Citizens and American Citizens may enter now, until further notice.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-shutting-the-border-to-most-non-citizens-due-to-covid-19-pm-trudeau-1.4854503

:wtg:

[68fastback]

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[twobjshelbys]

Barrett-Jackson to delay their Palm Beach auction from April to October

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Media/Home/Reader/barrett-jackson-to-postpone-2020-palm-beach-auction-to-october-15-17-2020-to-safeguard-customers-sponsors-and-guests/

[twobjshelbys]

After a truly dismal market day our shelters worked. We were actually down less than than the Friday bump gave us. And tonight's futures look for a positive opening tomorrow.

[68fastback]

:wtg:

[HSURB]

Just hear all Bars and Restaurants in Denver are closing through May 11th.

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

It had to come. Must be a slow news day. The dems are blaming coronavirus on Trump.

The cat is out of the bag. He entrusted the US biological warfare team to invent a virus that affected only

Chinese communists
democrats
hollywood elite

All others are collateral damage.

[Tommy Gun]

:spitcopy:




I’m hoping once this breaks the economy booms like it never has before and makes him look really really good, and he overwhelmingly wins the election.... As if he’s not going to do that already.

[Tommy Gun]

Just heard the IRS is going to give 90 days interest free for people who owe money. :wtg:

[twobjshelbys]

Market got a little boost today but the futures show that tomorrow it will give most of it or more back.

[Tommy Gun]

Hope so

[Alloy Dave]

Where is everyone at?

I'm not cut out for this Social Distancing. Currently going insane.

HSURB®
Me either,..but don’t have much choice. I’ve focused in on....

1) I have a small handyman job custom install a doorbell...don’t even have to enter customers house....will take me about 4 hours.

2) researching door options for our house....more on that later

3) Researching hotels and restaurants for trips this fall in NYC and Atlanta

4) Finalizing tax return...had to make a 2019 TIRA contribution for a tactical reason

5) Planning meals....usually we eat out 3-4x per week so this is new to us lol

6) working on a cool basement project in the man cave...may take a few more weeks (pics later)

7) Developing a plan for tenants who may not pay April rent

[Tommy Gun]

I’ve been wondering about number 7 for private renters. :(

[twobjshelbys]

Market got a little boost today but the futures show that tomorrow it will give most of it or more back.

And it took back all of it and more... There is no end in sight. Reset to pre-Trump levels.

[onecrazydog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPhe2n-p-mw

[68fastback]

Sure looks like China may have actually planned this.
...to damage the West and Trump's re-election? Who knows, but we do know:

- Started at premiere bio weapons lab (est, 2017) city - Wuhan
- Doctor who first reported it to the West was picked-up, hospitlized and mysteriously died in the hospital in a matter of days -- even tho he said he just had symptoms.
- 1000+ Chinese-ancestry visitors from virtually every western county and others gathered for Chinese new years in late January in ONE location for tradional new years celebration banquet -- they unknowingly bring the virus back to Italy, France, Spain, the US, Indonesia and many other countries.
- China reports to the WHO (World Health Org) that the virus does NOT spread person-to-person ...blames it on a "wet market" in Wuhan.
- China reports spread numbers to the WHO far below the real impact.
- China continues to spread false info, even blocking internet in Wuhan and other 'hot spots.'
- China's communist party accuses the US of creating the virus and seeding it in Wuhan.
- (Today) China blocks all US newspapers/news outlets that carried stories accusing China of continually lying to WHO and about this Chinese virus.

Hmmm...

[twobjshelbys]

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[68fastback]

:rofl3:

[tekheavy]

Entire state of California on lock down. :faint:

[68fastback]

The roads are like a ghost town.

Even the NYS Thruway during rush hour is very light.

All events cancelled.

Went over to our friends am today -- the horses same as always -lol

[Tommy Gun]

Entire state of California on lock down. :faint:


Should have been years ago.


.

[twobjshelbys]

Entire state of California on lock down. :faint:


Except pot stores :)

[twobjshelbys]

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[twobjshelbys]

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[68fastback]

:lol:

...those are real too ...Pabst did the 99-can boxes for the holidays.

[The Bone]

Pushed taxes back till July 15 if you owe. I already paid my taxes. I figure pay them now so I don't forget. The IRS doesn't play. I found out long ago. 350 million and the IRS can find anyone that owes them $$$

[twobjshelbys]

Even better

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[Tommy Gun]

:haha:

[Tommy Gun]

Rumors that Virginia is about to close for business soon. Let’s see if it happens :(

This is gonna be an economy killer

Millions of people, a few thousand get sick...and then better...and we shut down whole states. I don’t get it.

[68fastback]

There were well over 2,000 NEW cases in one day -- yesterday -- just in NY. Good news is much of that is just testing ramping-up; bad news is testing is just starting to ramp up. Hard to say how this plays out.

I say send the Communist Chinese regime the bill -- literally -- and when they tell us to go pound salt we should terminate all our loan-debt payments until their debt to us is paid. :mafiasmilie:

[Tommy Gun]

And how many flu cases? :popcorn:

[Tommy Gun]

Why aren’t we worried about this instead?


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm


.

[JTB]

Who's got the VIRUS?

[tekheavy]

And how many flu cases? :popcorn:

:logical:

[twobjshelbys]

This is gonna be an economy killer


Yep, this will be the recession that the Dems wanted. Trump will still win.

[HSURB]

We were approached by a Pharmacy at one of our production locations and they inquired if we had any Isopropyl Alcohol we would sell. Our guess is they want to make hand sanitizer with it.

Today, I ordered two additional 55 gallon drums of it and it will arrive on Monday.

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

Who's got the VIRUS?


Yeah, anyone know anyone that's got it?

[Alloy Dave]

Most woodworkers wear N95 masks/respirators...and I have some. I wonder if they've thought to reach out to woodworking schools or other such organizations. I'd gladly donate mine...but I only have like 4 masks...not worth a bunch of work to find out where to send them.

[twobjshelbys]

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[twobjshelbys]

Most woodworkers wear N95 masks/respirators...and I have some. I wonder if they've thought to reach out to woodworking schools or other such organizations. I'd gladly donate mine...but I only have like 4 masks...not worth a bunch of work to find out where to send them.

I thought of the silent supply. For example, dentists... They have already cut back to more or less emergency only, so they could send say 95% of their masks to hospitals. They'd probably want only unopened containers, but even that's probably quite a supply from a big dental office. I'm guessing they've already thought of this.

[68fastback]

Most woodworkers wear N95 masks/respirators...and I have some. I wonder if they've thought to reach out to woodworking schools or other such organizations. I'd gladly donate mine...but I only have like 4 masks...not worth a bunch of work to find out where to send them.

Trump reached out to the construction industry last week and 10s of thousands of N95 masks and hazard suits have been donated but dunno about woodworkers. Some companies have now stepped up to make N95s b/c the material is available in bulk ...ditto the eye shields.

[68fastback]

The flu kills 10s of thousands/year in the US alone but who wants to potentially double or triple or ??? that number? That's the problem with something unknown and esp problematic when maybe 80% of the carriers have no symptoms at all (!) and those that do took maybe two (and in some cases three) weeks to express them -- not a good scenario for an unknown virus (and characteristically unusual in 'similar' viruses). It's almost like it was designed in a bioweapons lab :shades:

The economy and the market will come back. Jobs will come back. It's axiomatic. It's not like western civilization will forget or eschew the good life an free market competition we've known and that has enabled us to achieve so much in a geologic eye-blink of time -- that's just not going to happen, imho (unless Sanders is elected :lol:), and that is why things only seem bleak while inside this transient rolling bubble/wave of self-imposed epic/epidemic disruption.

It will be tough on many in the interim but what's the alternative besides rolling the dice? Doesn't seem ANY world leaders were/are willing to do that against the counsel of the WHO and the best of the world's medical sciences community.

Patience and diligence are not easy virtues to accept by a drowning man (let alone practice). We'll get through this. Viruses don't kill all hosts, but unknown/mutants (engineered ones too) can do serious damage. The Bubonic killed 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 -- up to 25% of the world population at the time! :faint: That would translate to 48,000,000 - 95,000,000 in the US alone ...up to 2,000,000,000 globally. :yikes:

That's why it may be unwise to roll the dice with an unknown virus. Not a likely outcome based on all we know so far but, by definition, we don't know much about something we've never seen before and even tho this virus is genetically "similar to SARS" we really have no idea if the mutations/mods, natural or otherwise, are just a flu with unusual characteristics or another Bubonic -- or worse -- that can kill millions over a few years if it is let to runs wild in the gene pool before we (humans) build tolerance and resistance whether naturally or assisted.

Truth is we really just didn't know when this surfaced, still don't know or certain, and there likely is much more we still don't know.

In the long run this might fade away like some or it might be another ongoing seasonal (in the north and south temperate zones) like the 'flu' that ads to the annual death toll. But it could also be a genuine shape-shifter going forward -- no one truly knows at this point but the structural odds seem to favor 'fade' or 'flu-like' but those are just science's best windage at this point in time. :pray:

We'll get through this.

[tekheavy]

https://www.goldismoney2.com/attachments/1584738766715-png.158318/

[Tommy Gun]

Who's got the VIRUS?


No one I know.

[68fastback]

https://www.goldismoney2.com/attachments/1584738766715-png.158318/

:lol:

[twobjshelbys]

It won't take til 2030. Expect it in 2021.

[The Bone]

In San Jose they closed all non essential businesses. They are sending the cops out to make sure they are closed. Next week they will go around giving tickets and messing with there business license. This place is nuts. We are literately on Lockdown.

[Tommy Gun]

Cops are busy, go get some burnout videos.

[twobjshelbys]

In San Jose they closed all non essential businesses. They are sending the cops out to make sure they are closed. Next week they will go around giving tickets and messing with there business license. This place is nuts. We are literately on Lockdown.


The Governor of Nevada has presented his business closing as a suggestion. Then he made it an order. Yesterday since apparently there are still some that are open, he has now given cities the power to make enforceable regulations (which would require city council to act) measures such as fines, and revoking business licenses.

[twobjshelbys]

LA County throws in the towel. Will no onlytest (and thus no longer count) people that if tested positive will have a different course of treatment. That means that anyone that isn't going to be hospitalized or otherwise treated differently will simply be sent home and not counted. It sounds like they were going from test results to determine counts and that's probably OK to begin with but as more people get it some with reduced symptoms will merely brush it off and wouldn't be counted anyway.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-county-containing-coronavirus-skip-testing-patients

[Tommy Gun]

I still want to know the numbers of how many are getting over it and how long to get over it.

[twobjshelbys]

I still want to know the numbers of how many are getting over it and how long to get over it.

I was wondering the same thing. We haven't heard about that.

[twobjshelbys]

I'm also wondering if you can get it again...

[twobjshelbys]

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[twobjshelbys]

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[Alloy Dave]

Although I feel grateful often, it comes to me even more recently. The pandemic has caused an uprising in people that shows both the best and worst in some of us. Some people have nothing better to do but complain about how they can't do something they are used to doing, while others spend all their time thinking about how they can help others. Seeing this has brought into focus for me how grateful I am for many of the things I have.

I am grateful for/to:

1) Good health...I can walk/breathe/eat/laugh/smile...whereas I lost two of my best friends 18 months ago, see people with disabilities, and know many who are suffering with various ailments both mental and physical.

2) Love of my spouse, friends, and family, when many people are "lonely" or depressed these days

3) the doctors who have treated me over the years, using medical processes/training/equipment that allow me to walk after injuring my knees, go pain free after my gall bladder and kidney stone were removed, and countless other ailments I've had in my life.

4) The trash people who collect our trash so I don't have to deal with the stinky garbage that I create

5) The guys/gals who work at the water and electric companies, so that I can flip on a light switch to see, turn a knob to cook dinner, flip a faucet handle to bathe, and so on. People in many countries long for having clean running water and reliable power.

6) The ability to think critically for myself and make good decisions for me and my family. Many others do not have the educational background or upbringing of two dedicated parents, missed out on much of their schooling, or have other learning deficiencies that prevent them from reaching their potential.

7) The workers who do nearly everything so that I can enjoy myself in retirement. Whether it's a server at our dinner table, the stylist that cuts my hair, a bartender that mixes me a drink, the assembly line worker that builds the cars I drive, or a plumber that fixes a leak. Without these people, life would be full of problems without solutions and much more work than I care to tolerate.

8) The teachers that instilled in me a sense of accomplishment and curiosity that makes life more fun and understandable. I see too many people who simply complain about their educators.

9) How lucky I am to be one of the few living beings in this universe. Although there are a few trillion of us on this planet, we know of no other living beings out there. And not only that, but I happen to be living in the greatest country in the world, born to some of the best parents, and given some of the most prized assets (such as health and intelligence) that anyone could ever ask for. I am truly blessed in these ways and thank God for all that has been given to me.

[Alloy Dave]

I still want to know the numbers of how many are getting over it and how long to get over it.
It will be difficult for a lay person to get accurate data right now...but here is something if you feel you can trust any data from China.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/covid-19-recovery-rates-intl/index.html

[68fastback]

I'm also wondering if you can get it again...

Likely not the same (SARS-CoV-2) infection since, to get it again, you had to have survived so your immunized until it sufficiently changes such that your antibodies can't 'recognize' it -- probably next mutation cycle like the flu or maybe (like prior SARS) it's not adept at seasonal change and sort of fades as a threat. That'd be my guess.

They are now (just last day or so) correlating to blood type and finding some blood types are nearly immune, others are highly susceptible, and others moderately so.

Also interesting that, so far, 74% of infections in Italy are men but they don't know why. Overall men have higher infection rates than women but not as high as in Italy. That may be because Italy has the highest ratio of men over 80.

More male deaths was also true for SARS 2003 (men 50% higher), MERS (men 30% higher), and the 1918 Flu epidemic. They think it is likely part lifestyle/role related and part genetics since women create antibodies faster -- and therefore typically get viral symptoms earlier too. Death rate (so far) for SAR-CoV-2 is 1.7% among women and 2.8% for men (60% higher) -- both percentages are surely inflated b/c, at his point, total of those infected is still far from fully known, so both numbers will come down as the number of deaths is divided by a faster-expanding total-infected denominator, but the men-women ratio is not likely to change appreciably.

[Tommy Gun]

I'm also wondering if you can get it again...


Yep

[JTB]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

USA will take the #1 Position by next weekend.

[Tommy Gun]

Although I feel grateful often, it comes to me even more recently. The pandemic has caused an uprising in people that shows both the best and worst in some of us. Some people have nothing better to do but complain about how they can't do something they are used to doing, while others spend all their time thinking about how they can help others. Seeing this has brought into focus for me how grateful I am for many of the things I have.

I am grateful for/to:

1) Good health...I can walk/breathe/eat/laugh/smile...whereas I lost two of my best friends 18 months ago, see people with disabilities, and know many who are suffering with various ailments both mental and physical.

2) Love of my spouse, friends, and family, when many people are "lonely" or depressed these days

3) the doctors who have treated me over the years, using medical processes/training/equipment that allow me to walk after injuring my knees, go pain free after my gall bladder and kidney stone were removed, and countless other ailments I've had in my life.

4) The trash people who collect our trash so I don't have to deal with the stinky garbage that I create

5) The guys/gals who work at the water and electric companies, so that I can flip on a light switch to see, turn a knob to cook dinner, flip a faucet handle to bathe, and so on. People in many countries long for having clean running water and reliable power.

6) The ability to think critically for myself and make good decisions for me and my family. Many others do not have the educational background or upbringing of two dedicated parents, missed out on much of their schooling, or have other learning deficiencies that prevent them from reaching their potential.

7) The workers who do nearly everything so that I can enjoy myself in retirement. Whether it's a server at our dinner table, the stylist that cuts my hair, a bartender that mixes me a drink, the assembly line worker that builds the cars I drive, or a plumber that fixes a leak. Without these people, life would be full of problems without solutions and much more work than I care to tolerate.

8) The teachers that instilled in me a sense of accomplishment and curiosity that makes life more fun and understandable. I see too many people who simply complain about their educators.

9) How lucky I am to be one of the few living beings in this universe. Although there are a few trillion of us on this planet, we know of no other living beings out there. And not only that, but I happen to be living in the greatest country in the world, born to some of the best parents, and given some of the most prized assets (such as health and intelligence) that anyone could ever ask for. I am truly blessed in these ways and thank God for all that has been given to me.


Good post


And there are only 7 billion on earth, not trillions. That’s ants and cockroaches :look:

.

[68fastback]

I feel the same way, Dave -- I give thanks every day. Sort of the mind set of: what if one wakes up tomorrow having only what they gave thanks for yesterday. We are all so blessed and have so much to be thankful for.

I totally missed your post, Dave, until I saw Bill's.

[Tommy Gun]

Good thing I read back. :look:

[68fastback]

Good thing I read back. :look:

Shockingly true! :haha: :hiding: ;-)

[Alloy Dave]

:webers:

[twobjshelbys]

Today Trump said something about suicides if the markets don't get back in control. Well, just to put things in perspective

The drop from the crash of 29 was 28% (Yes, people did jump from skyscrapers, but now you can't open the windows)

The drop from the crash in 2008 was 45%

We are currently hovering at about 35%

This market drop is not due to underlying financials - company performance was strong coming into this. I had an hour-long call with our financial analyst today and he expects that once some certainty is restored (ie, what is needed from the government are dates-certain for certain events) that the market will steady and that after lockdowns are released the pent-up demand for certain things will bring the markets back. However, in a quarter or two we will see hugely depressed income reports, some lasting for as long as a year as those writeoffs happen over time. It's not going to be as though the clock stopped and things will pick up as they were when the clock starts again.

[68fastback]

Today Trump said something about suicides if the markets don't get back in control. Well, just to put things in perspective

The drop from the crash of 29 was 28% (Yes, people did jump from skyscrapers, but now you can't open the windows)

The drop from the crash in 2008 was 45%

We are currently hovering at about 35%

This market drop is not due to underlying financials - company performance was strong coming into this. I had an hour-long call with our financial analyst today and he expects that once some certainty is restored (ie, what is needed from the government are dates-certain for certain events) that the market will steady and that after lockdowns are released the pent-up demand for certain things will bring the markets back. However, in a quarter or two we will see hugely depressed income reports, some lasting for as long as a year as those writeoffs happen over time. It's not going to be as though the clock stopped and things will pick up as they were when the clock starts again.

All true, I think. The depressed income reports will cause investment preference shifts and might slow market recovery some as the market sorts it out but the overall engine should still be as strong as ever so it will re-equalize.

Not directly related but another thing I'm thinking businesses will '(re)discover' is that many businesses will have used this as a good 'excuse' to terminate most of their underperforming employees while keeping higher performers on or a least closely in-touch (as temporary layoffs) -- the irony being that as business re-ramps with the improved-balance skill pool and the economy starts to cook again, the available expansion skill pool will be, by definition, mostly underperformers -- outcasts from other corporations who, being sought in a newly reheated economy, will now draw disproportionately larger salaries than they had previously.

Fortunately, even before the virus, many companies were spending big-time on growing the skill pool within because the existing pool of outside critical skills was already largely down to the dregs -- needed skills in the US lagging job creation by at least 2-3M key skills. As things re-heat, those companies that invested in critical skills bootstrapping will potentially out-compete their rivals because they already know how to develop skills as demand, once again, outstrips supply and should be substantially less dependent on the pool of their competitors underperforming cast-offs. Their expansion skill costs should also be substantially lower. I think those (best managed) companies stand to disproportionately accelerate and distinguish themselves competitively going forward -- even more so than before the virus -- so I expect those that can best exploit those advantages to thrive and set a higher bar ...and that is likely goodness overall ...and on the global stage as well, imo.

[Tommy Gun]

Glad I’m in the highly skilled pool

[68fastback]

Glad I’m in the highly skilled pool

:wtg: So true!!

I'm thinking new auto sales are pretty bad right now, though I haven't seen any exceptional discounting (aside from the usual) but that will change.

New car sales = trade-ins = TG business fuel! :banana: ;-)

Wonder how long Ford will wait for the Bronco intro.

[68fastback]

I see Ford did put out a statement today that production re-start will not be on March 30 as originally planned ...working with UAW to determine "optimal timing."

I'm guessing maybe just after Easter sometime -- depending on how the virus curve shakes out. Trump did telegraph today that he hopes by Easter to start the economic reboot, but that all depends how things look...

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/03/24/ford-reassessing-timing-of-n-a--plants-resuming-production.html

[68fastback]

Laura Ingraham just mentioned that Ford is now geared-up and manufacturing 1000 ventilators/month. Nice to see so many American businesses jumping in to help. 3M and Honeywell will make millions of N95 masks so not dependent on China :wtg:

[68fastback]

I wish someone would step up and make TP and isopropyl-91 :rofl3:

Some people must be desperate -- eBay Charmin TP auctions are funny and sad at the same time. -lol

[Alloy Dave]

Today Trump said something about suicides if the markets don't get back in control. Well, just to put things in perspective

The drop from the crash of 29 was 28% (Yes, people did jump from skyscrapers, but now you can't open the windows)

The drop from the crash in 2008 was 45%

We are currently hovering at about 35%

This market drop is not due to underlying financials - company performance was strong coming into this. I had an hour-long call with our financial analyst today and he expects that once some certainty is restored (ie, what is needed from the government are dates-certain for certain events) that the market will steady and that after lockdowns are released the pent-up demand for certain things will bring the markets back. However, in a quarter or two we will see hugely depressed income reports, some lasting for as long as a year as those writeoffs happen over time. It's not going to be as though the clock stopped and things will pick up as they were when the clock starts again.
I think the bolded part is the part that's going to be tricky. THe question is, is the market smart enough to factor that knowledge in before the earnings reports come out? In other words, let's say company XYZ has an earnings report due in October. Let's say the profits for XYZ in that period are typically 20 cents/share. If the analysts are expecting a profit of 3 cents/share due to the virus impact, and it comes in at 3 cents/share...it likely won't have much impact on the stock. However, if the analysts are expecting 20 cents/share and it comes in at 3 cents/share, the stock will drop severely.

I give the market a lot of credit, and I think they will factor most of this in....only time will tell.

[Alloy Dave]

All true, I think. The depressed income reports will cause investment preference shifts and might slow market recovery some as the market sorts it out but the overall engine should still be as strong as ever so it will re-equalize.

Not directly related but another thing I'm thinking businesses will '(re)discover' is that many businesses will have used this as a good 'excuse' to terminate most of their underperforming employees while keeping higher performers on or a least closely in-touch (as temporary layoffs) -- the irony being that as business re-ramps with the improved-balance skill pool and the economy starts to cook again, the available expansion skill pool will be, by definition, mostly underperformers -- outcasts from other corporations who, being sought in a newly reheated economy, will now draw disproportionately larger salaries than they had previously.

Fortunately, even before the virus, many companies were spending big-time on growing the skill pool within because the existing pool of outside critical skills was already largely down to the dregs -- needed skills in the US lagging job creation by at least 2-3M key skills. As things re-heat, those companies that invested in critical skills bootstrapping will potentially out-compete their rivals because they already know how to develop skills as demand, once again, outstrips supply and should be substantially less dependent on the pool of their competitors underperforming cast-offs. Their expansion skill costs should also be substantially lower. I think those (best managed) companies stand to disproportionately accelerate and distinguish themselves competitively going forward -- even more so than before the virus -- so I expect those that can best exploit those advantages to thrive and set a higher bar ...and that is likely goodness overall ...and on the global stage as well, imo.
Dan, where I used to work...they had an annual process where about 4% of employees were let go of each year based on underperformance. This came out of a "ranking and rating" process whereby 10% of employees were rated high performers (called the "ones"), 10% were rated low performers (the "threes"), and the remaining 80% were average performers (the "twos"). They would take the "threes", figure out which were able to be remediated, then evaluated other factors such as importance of the position and company growth/budget, etc....then let go of about half of those people.

Even during hiring "freezes" we would ALWAYS be hiring for some key positions. When large companies say there is a hiring freeze, that just means any hiring must have approval from a very senior leader in the company, which dramatically reduces hiring.

[Alloy Dave]

I wish someone would step up and make TP and isopropyl-91 :rofl3:

Some people must be desperate -- eBay Charmin TP auctions are funny and sad at the same time. -lol

Our city is doing its part....

https://wkkg.com/distillery-donated-hand-sanitizer-to-columbus-firefighters/

[Tommy Gun]

26413

[68fastback]

Dan, where I used to work...they had an annual process where about 4% of employees were let go of each year based on underperformance. This came out of a "ranking and rating" process whereby 10% of employees were rated high performers (called the "ones"), 10% were rated low performers (the "threes"), and the remaining 80% were average performers (the "twos"). They would take the "threes", figure out which were able to be remediated, then evaluated other factors such as importance of the position and company growth/budget, etc....then let go of about half of those people.

Even during hiring "freezes" we would ALWAYS be hiring for some key positions. When large companies say there is a hiring freeze, that just means any hiring must have approval from a very senior leader in the company, which dramatically reduces hiring.

Yeah, Big Blue has a similar ranking and hiring process. It works well.

[68fastback]

26413

:yikes: lol

[68fastback]

Our city is doing its part....

https://wkkg.com/distillery-donated-hand-sanitizer-to-columbus-firefighters/

Cool! Everyone seems to be helping out where they can. The grandkids in NJ are assembling masks at home -- tho I'm not sure that's such a good idea vs made by a machine where it's not touched by anyone ...I'd prefer the latter -lol

Some big distillers are doing similar -- it's perfect for them too ...instead of distilling to 40% (80 proof) they use more sugars and distill to 91%. One of the major distillers mentioned that it doesn't interfere with their other distillations b/c it's only one process run and they can do many in parallel as needed.

[twobjshelbys]

Yeah, Big Blue has a similar ranking and hiring process. It works well.


Virtually every large company has some kind of performance review system. Ours was also referred to as "ranking and rating". I called it "ranting and raving". Because after the managers rated all their reports, the managers got together and jockeyed for a larger "pool" of the raise money, some by trying to make their group more important than others. It was a crock. I had a pretty good case for a class action age discrimination suit. A bunch of us were told that there were to be no raises for those of us that were above the median pay for the grade. Well, it turns out that was only partially true. Some got raises. Others (whose personnel files were flagged with no raise) didn't. (I was in the latter group). It became clear that we were being "aged" out. We had a buyout the spring before I quit, and was told later that I should have taken it and they made life miserable after that. When you're asked to train someone so we can sent your job overseas the handwriting is on the wall. I told them to shove it. (The same thing happened to a friend of mine in another company a few years earlier).

[HSURB]

Well Stacey, you called it. The US just took the top spot over China and Italy for having the most cases.

From the initial case in China, it took 4 months to reach 250,000 cases globally. To go from 250,000 to 500,000 has taken 1 week.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

Courtesy of SEMA News:

Ford Motor Company:

Ford Motor Co., joining forces with firms including 3M and GE Healthcare, is lending its manufacturing and engineering expertise to quickly expand production of urgently needed medical equipment and supplies for healthcare workers, first responders and patients fighting coronavirus. In addition, Ford plans to assemble more than 100,000 face shields per week and leverage its in-house 3D printing capability to produce components for use in personal protective equipment.


“This is such a critical time for America and the world. It is a time for action and cooperation. By coming together across multiple industries, we can make a real difference for people in need and for those on the front lines of this crisis,” said Bill Ford, Ford’s executive chairman.


Powered Air-Purifying Respirators: Ford team members are working with 3M to increase the manufacturing capacity of their powered air-purifying respirator (PAPR) designs and working jointly to develop a new design leveraging parts from both companies to meet the surge demand for first responders and health care workers. This new respirator could be produced in a Ford facility by UAW workers. To go as fast as possible, the Ford and 3M teams have been locating off-the-shelf parts, including fans from the Ford F-150’s cooled seats for airflow, 3M HEPA air filters to filter airborne contaminants such as droplets that carry virus particles and portable tool battery packs to power these respirators for up to eight hours. Ford is looking at how it might produce these new-generation PAPRs in one of its Michigan manufacturing facilities, helping 3M boost production potentially tenfold.


Ventilators: In addition, Ford and GE Healthcare are working together to expand production of a simplified version of GE Healthcare’s existing ventilator design to support patients with respiratory failure or difficulty breathing caused by COVID-19. These ventilators could be produced at a Ford manufacturing site in addition to a GE location.

Respirators and Face Shields: Meanwhile, Ford’s U.S. design team also is quickly creating and starting to test transparent full-face shields for medical workers and first responders. The face shields fully block the face and eyes from accidental contact with liquids and when paired with N95 respirators can be a more effective way to limit potential exposure to coronavirus than N95 respirators alone. The first 1,000 face shields will be tested this week at Detroit Mercy, Henry Ford Health Systems and Detroit Medical Center Sinai-Grace Hospitals. Roughly 75,000 of these shields are expected to be finished this week and more than 100,000 face shields per week will be produced at Ford subsidiary Troy Design and Manufacturing’s facilities in Plymouth, Michigan.

[twobjshelbys]

The great tp scare of 1973. I dont remember it. Maybe it was regional

https://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/

[Alloy Dave]

I bet the boardrooms of these companies are quite hectic the past few weeks...and will continue to be so for another 3-6 months. What a mess.

[68fastback]

The great tp scare of 1973. I dont remember it. Maybe it was regional

https://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/

Huh. I don't remember it either.

[68fastback]

I bet the boardrooms of these companies are quite hectic the past few weeks...and will continue to be so for another 3-6 months. What a mess.

Yeah.

Especially GM.

After Ford stepped up to do a whole lot of stuff yesterday, GM today said they will make 6,000 ventilators but the gov will have to buy them. During Trumps press conference he reamed Mary Barra (GM CEO) another A-hole, invoked the War Powers Act and told her to reopen Lordstown OH or some other GM plant and start making them -- immediately!

:wtg: Donald!!

[JTB]

Well Stacey, you called it. The US just took the top spot over China and Italy for having the most cases.

From the initial case in China, it took 4 months to reach 250,000 cases globally. To go from 250,000 to 500,000 has taken 1 week.

HSURB®

The challenge for an accurate Global Analysis of the proliferation of Covid-19 is the viability of information from China.
Information from China is not factual and always has an agenda.

[68fastback]

The challenge for an accurate Global Analysis of the proliferation of Covid-19 is the viability of information from China.
Information from China is not factual and always has an agenda.

So very true! Can't really trust anything they tell us.

[68fastback]

Covid-19 advice from infectious disease expert...
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The following is forwarded from Irene Ken physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University. Thank you Don Newman for this information.
Please forward to everyone you care about.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa,changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of materialwhere it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is whyyou have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it evenmore useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; they cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics, but quickly disintegrate its structure with everything said.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, , 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT (sunlight) on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, UV also breaks down collagen (whichis protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* This is super said, but you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

[twobjshelbys]

Roger Waters postponed his tour until next year. Bummed! I had a primo ticket. They said to hold onto them for now but I expect they'll refund them.

[68fastback]

Breaking news:

"Today Hillary Clinton tested negative for POTUS-16"

:haha:

[Tommy Gun]

:haha:

[JTB]

Breaking news:

"Today Hillary Clinton tested negative for POTUS-16"

:haha:

LOL!

[HSURB]

Textronix is reporting 21 million fewer cell phone signatures in China than in February.

Here is an example from the same company tracking the Spring Break students from one beach.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/03/27/video-shows-cell-phones-on-florida-beach-during-spring-break-and-where-theyve-travelled-during-coronavirus-outbreak

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

HSURB®

[twobjshelbys]

The next shortage

https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-28/the-world-could-be-running-out-of-condoms-because-of-pandemic?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F articles%2F2020-03-28%2Fthe-world-could-be-runni⁶ng-out-of-condoms-because-of-pandemic

Also expect birth rate to go up

[68fastback]

Textronix is reporting 21 million fewer cell phone signatures in China than in February.

Here is an example from the same company tracking the Spring Break students from one beach.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/03/27/video-shows-cell-phones-on-florida-beach-during-spring-break-and-where-theyve-travelled-during-coronavirus-outbreak

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

HSURB®

Tim, that's friggin' awesome!

[68fastback]

The next shortage

https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-28/the-world-could-be-running-out-of-condoms-because-of-pandemic?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F articles%2F2020-03-28%2Fthe-world-could-be-runni⁶ng-out-of-condoms-because-of-pandemic

Also expect birth rate to go up

...and add to that the fact that so many are home -- could be like the 9-11 baby spike all over again ...except globally ...a Pandemic Baby Boom -lol

[Tommy Gun]

Textronix is reporting 21 million fewer cell phone signatures in China than in February.

Here is an example from the same company tracking the Spring Break students from one beach.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/03/27/video-shows-cell-phones-on-florida-beach-during-spring-break-and-where-theyve-travelled-during-coronavirus-outbreak

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

HSURB®


:wow2:


.

[68fastback]

The 21M fewer cell signatures in China is especially interesting given the WHO reports the global Covid-19 death rate is running 3.4%, tho likely to +/- halve over time.

So I divided 1,300M (population of China is 1.3B) into 21M ('missing' cell phone signatures) which yields 1.6% - well within WHO death rate number and given some percentage of actual deceased owner cell phones may have resurfaced (+/- 47% given above assumption and numbers). This all the while China reports 0-5 new deaths/day -- entirely non-credible.

The implication being that China is still TOTALLY lying to the world as they have through this entire pandemic from day-1. And the likelihood of China's true death rate seems to be bolstered by the widely reported aerial photos showing around-the-block lines at many major Chinese hospitals a recent as 3-5 days ago.

I'm starting to think the truth is much worse there and, whether out of pride or fear or traditional opaqueness of the Chinese Communist Party, we probably can't take anything they are saying as even vaguely truthful. Nothing new there! -lol

[HSURB]

Our state fell under a 3 week Shelter from Home requirement that starts at midnight tonight. Our agency doesn't fall under Essential Businesses. Therefore, today has been a very odd day. We met at the office and sent all Employees home with their computers and paperwork. We have scrambled and opened up ports on the Firewall and all Managers have access to the company Server and will be distributing files to all of their direct reports until we get through this.

Never ever thought we would go through something like this.

My other two companies both qualify as Essential and we will be working our standard two 10 hour shifts starting at 6:00 AM in the morning.

HSURB®

[68fastback]

Rudy Giuliani has now done a Common Sense YouTube segment on the Covid-19 treatment that's proving so successful in the Kiryas Joel orthodox Jewish community of 35,000 in downstate NY that was so hard-hit by Covid-19.

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Here's the video if you want to watch it -- the doctor treating virtually all of the Covid-19 patients there is Dr. Vladmir Zelenko. He shares the preliminary results of his treatment study of 669 high-risk patients (was around 500 at the time of the interview, since updated to 669).


Results: zero deaths and only four hospitalizations!

Below I'll detail the treatment and it's rationale per the video (if you decide not to view it).

But, first, here's the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8

Okay, you've probably heard of Dr. Zelenko's treatment. It's a hybrid adapted by him based on S.Korea and France's work on viral infections. The treatment is not a cure -- it buys time to permit your body to develop the antigens necessary to stop the viral destruction. Those who die from Covid-19 do so within 5-days of developing symptoms because in older (over 60) and/or those with impaired immune systems due to other diseases, the body runs out of time to fend off the viral infection.

Here's the treatment and then I'll explain how it works:

THE TREATMENT IS 5 DAYS -- each item below is taken for only 5 days (there's no cost but, in actuality, the drugs are dirt cheap and cost only $20 for the 5 days!):

= Zithromax: 500 mg ONCE/day for 5 days
= Hydroxychloraquine: 200 mg TWICE/day for 5 days
= Zinc: 220 mg ONCE/day for 5 days

How it works:
It's the zinc that does the magic. Covid-19 kills by overwhelming the cells in the lungs. Zinc dramatically slows the ability of the virus to infect the cells of the lung but it's nearly impossible to get the zinc into the cells (higher doses of zinc can be deadly). So, all the Hydrozychloraquine does is open a chemical "channel" to enable the zinc to get into the cells in the lungs. The Zithromaz does nothing for Covid-19 but prevents a weakened body from getting infected by opportunistic bacteria as a result of the devastation Covid-19 wreaks on the lungs. It's all about the zinc dramatically slowing the ability of virus to take over the lung cells' machinery for it's own purpose so that the body can fight the infection with it's own immuno-antigens. 669 cases of high-risk individuals and zero deaths using the above protocol. View the entire video for more details. While Rudy conducts the interview he also slows the process down (as he's taking notes) but Doc Zelenko's explanations are clear and concise.


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I'll also update post-1.

[Tommy Gun]

Our state fell under a 3 week Shelter from Home requirement that starts at midnight tonight. Our agency doesn't fall under Essential Businesses. Therefore, today has been a very odd day. We met at the office and sent all Employees home with their computers and paperwork. We have scrambled and opened up ports on the Firewall and all Managers have access to the company Server and will be distributing files to all of their direct reports until we get through this.

Never ever thought we would go through something like this.

My other two companies both qualify as Essential and we will be working our standard two 10 hour shifts starting at 6:00 AM in the morning.

HSURB®

You normally open on Sunday? That busy?

[68fastback]

Our state fell under a 3 week Shelter from Home requirement that starts at midnight tonight. Our agency doesn't fall under Essential Businesses. Therefore, today has been a very odd day. We met at the office and sent all Employees home with their computers and paperwork. We have scrambled and opened up ports on the Firewall and all Managers have access to the company Server and will be distributing files to all of their direct reports until we get through this.

Never ever thought we would go through something like this.

My other two companies both qualify as Essential and we will be working our standard two 10 hour shifts starting at 6:00 AM in the morning.

HSURB®

Welcome to the 'club!' Hope it goes as smoothly as possible for you, the family and your businesses, Tim.
We're in week 3 now and it will now run 2 more weeks and most likely 4, if not 8, more -- i.e. end-April or end-May.

We both have been trying to only hit stores every 2 weeks. We wash-up, wipe down everything we buy with isopropyl-91%, then every surface they've touched, then the car interior and house doorknobs we've touched, etc., and wash-up again.

Friend who is a nurse for 30+ years does the same thing every day when she gets home from work. They've been told it's essential given they contact many people every day who may have no symptoms but any of which could be a carrier. She's a surgical nurse and two floors away from any Covid-19 patients but is a critical skill.

[twobjshelbys]

I wonder how this virus tolerates heat and cold. For example, in the grocery stores produce is out in the open. You can't wash produce well enough to really make a difference unless it's potatoes but even then I'd not want alcohol on them (unless it was straight Kentucky Burbon ! ). But try to wash lettuce. Soap and water on that won't work for me. Then it goes to the fridge. Does the virus survive at 35-36*F? What about the potatoes you didn't wash with the super sanitizing solution, but bake or boil them. Does the virus survive the heat?

[68fastback]

I wonder how this virus tolerates heat and cold. For example, in the grocery stores produce is out in the open. You can't wash produce well enough to really make a difference unless it's potatoes but even then I'd not want alcohol on them (unless it was straight Kentucky Burbon ! ). But try to wash lettuce. Soap and water on that won't work for me. Then it goes to the fridge. Does the virus survive at 35-36*F? What about the potatoes you didn't wash with the super sanitizing solution, but bake or boil them. Does the virus survive the heat?

Tony check out the second section in post#1 or post 173. It breaks down with heat (and hates UV). Water should be over 25C (77F) -- higher is better because it dissolves the lipid protective layer on the virus core, as does alcohol over 65% and soaps (make water wetter). Cooking kills it quickly so no need to wash potatoes and such. Tomatoes for slicing I wipe with isopropyl or just wash with soapy sponge.. Lettuce we just rinse thoroughly but quickly in warm (not hot) water and bag and refrigerate since it's only the surface that gets touched in the store (side from Mexican workers pi$$ing on it in the fields -lol). Don't know how long it survives in cold temps but cold does dramatically slow the decay rate of viruses -- labs preserve viruses by freezing them.

[68fastback]

Rudy Giuliani has now done a Common Sense YouTube segment on the Covid-19 treatment that's proving so successful in the Kiryas Joel orthodox Jewish community of 35,000 in downstate NY that was so hard-hit by Covid-19.

---



Here's the video if you want to watch it -- the doctor treating virtually all of the Covid-19 patients there is Dr. Vladmir Zelenko. He shares the preliminary results of his treatment study of 669 high-risk patients (was around 500 at the time of the interview, since updated to 669).


Results: zero deaths and only four hospitalizations!

Below I'll detail the treatment and it's rationale per the video (if you decide not to view it).

But, first, here's the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8

Okay, you've probably heard of Dr. Zelenko's treatment. It's a hybrid adapted by him based on S.Korea and France's work on viral infections. The treatment is not a cure -- it buys time to permit your body to develop the antigens necessary to stop the viral destruction. Those who die from Covid-19 do so within 5-days of developing symptoms because in older (over 60) and/or those with impaired immune systems due to other diseases, the body runs out of time to fend off the viral infection.

Here's the treatment and then I'll explain how it works:

THE TREATMENT IS 5 DAYS -- each item below is taken for only 5 days (there's no cost but, in actuality, the drugs are dirt cheap and cost only $20 for the 5 days!):

= Zithromax: 500 mg ONCE/day for 5 days
= Hydroxychloraquine: 200 mg TWICE/day for 5 days
= Zinc: 220 mg ONCE/day for 5 days

How it works:
It's the zinc that does the magic. Covid-19 kills by overwhelming the cells in the lungs. Zinc dramatically slows the ability of the virus to infect the cells of the lung but it's nearly impossible to get the zinc into the cells (higher doses of zinc can be deadly). So, all the Hydrozychloraquine does is open a chemical "channel" to enable the zinc to get into the cells in the lungs. The Zithromaz does nothing for Covid-19 but prevents a weakened body from getting infected by opportunistic bacteria as a result of the devastation Covid-19 wreaks on the lungs. It's all about the zinc dramatically slowing the ability of virus to take over the lung cells' machinery for it's own purpose so that the body can fight the infection with it's own immuno-antigens. 669 cases of high-risk individuals and zero deaths using the above protocol. View the entire video for more details. While Rudy conducts the interview he also slows the process down (as he's taking notes) but Doc Zelenko's explanations are clear and concise.


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I'll also update post-1.


.

POTUS just announced that 6M Chloroquine and 30M Hydroxychloroquine doses will be available shortly.

This should help dramatically lower the death-rate.

Also, the new doc-office 5 minute test (vs 1-2 days) is now in production.

These two things together will save hundreds of thousands of lives!

[68fastback]

Ford will produce in Michigan 50,000 ventilators (three different GE-licensed FDA-approved Airon ventilator designs) within the next 100 days, and will have capacity to build 30,000/month ongoing as need may dictate. Production will be at Fords Rawsonville plant in Ypsilanti, MI.

:ford: :wtg:

[tekheavy]

Ford will produce in Michigan 50,000 ventilators (three different GE-licensed FDA-approved Airon ventilator designs) within the next 100 days, and will have capacity to build 30,000/month ongoing as need may dictate. Production will be at Fords Rawsonville plant in Ypsilanti, MI.

:ford: :wtg:

Hopefully no recalls. :sofa:

[Tommy Gun]

Thanks to some idiot college kids partying together on one of our smaller beaches our loser governor shut down our state today...supposedly for 2 months.

[Alloy Dave]

Thanks to some idiot college kids partying together on one of our smaller beaches our loser governor shut down our state today...supposedly for 2 months.
:trouble:

[HSURB]

Thanks to some idiot college kids partying together on one of our smaller beaches our loser governor shut down our state today...supposedly for 2 months.

Are you considered Essential?

HSURB®

[68fastback]

Hopefully no recalls. :sofa:

:spitcopy:

[Grabber]

The Covid-19 in WA state is getting more serious everyday as more people are tested. I have been working with the other City Councilors and the City Manager and staff on how to best protect our citizens and lower the curve. I wish you all the best in these trying times.


26431

[Tommy Gun]

:trouble:


I wasn’t at the party, so didn’t invite you. Lol

[Tommy Gun]

The Covid-19 in WA state is getting more serious everyday as more people are tested. I have been working with the other City Councilors and the City Manager and staff on how to best protect our citizens and lower the curve. I wish you all the best in these trying times.


26431


We are barely affected here. Still have 100 times as many deaths from the flu. People are freaking out because the media makes it sound like everyone who gets it dies.

[Tommy Gun]

Are you considered Essential?

HSURB®


Being transportation is considered essential we are still open. Problem is that people aren’t out looking for a car, so business is near dead. :(

[68fastback]

The Covid-19 in WA state is getting more serious everyday as more people are tested. I have been working with the other City Councilors and the City Manager and staff on how to best protect our citizens and lower the curve. I wish you all the best in these trying times.


26431

Keep safe, Rob!

[twobjshelbys]

I was looking at the colored map of the world's concentrations and have decided I'm going to move to the Badlands area of South Dakota. The Outback of Australia is a second choice.

[68fastback]

I was looking at the colored map of the world's concentrations and have decided I'm going to move to the Badlands area of South Dakota. The Outback of Australia is a second choice.

:lol: No people = no infections.

I'm thinking your climate in LV would be more hostile to viruses (temps and lots of UV) but still plenty of living and walking human bags of mucosa for it to infect.

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This virus will be a problem until the general population develops significant degree of herd immunity (slows spread of subsequent waves of infection to the non-immune), whether by surviving an infection or vaccine inoculations or some other immuno-infusion (plasma, etc). ventually, nearly every human on earth will be exposed -- just like with the flu.

Until then, there's only treatment if you get infected and show symptoms, and I know what treatment I'll request from my doc (hydroxychloroquine, zinc and z-max) and I will call him for test IMMEDIATELY (we have a local drive-in test now but results take 2-days) upon seeing the symptoms.

The 5-minute test is shipping now in volume and will save 2 days -- critical for high risk folks since doing nothing for 5 days for an infected high risk individual means hospitalization, ventilation, etc and is a virtual death sentence (or you'll wish it was) if you wait that long to take any action.

Until a cure, immediate testing and treatment is essential for high-risk individuals.

[Tommy Gun]

Im thinking about going to NYC and getting it, recovering in a week and showing people it’s not as big a deal as the media is saying.

Or die and prove them right.

Anyone want to pitch it for a plane ticket?

I already know Highwayman is onboard :haha:

[tekheavy]

Im thinking about going to NYC and getting it, recovering in a week and showing people it’s not as big a deal as the media is saying.

Or die and prove them right.

Anyone want to pitch it for a plane ticket?

I already know Highwayman is onboard :haha:

Give me your address. I'll send it to you in a envelope. :popcorn:

[Tommy Gun]

2210 Anthony Wayne Road
Vagina Beach, Commieginia 23456

[tekheavy]

Ok, it will go out in tomorrow's mail.

[twobjshelbys]

Im thinking about going to NYC and getting it, recovering in a week and showing people it’s not as big a deal as the media is saying.

Or die and prove them right.

Anyone want to pitch it for a plane ticket?

I already know Highwayman is onboard :haha:

See, that's exactly what my mom did with us kids when the measles (or was it mumps) came around... Took us to the neighbor's house to play with them that had it. We got and got it over with. I seem to recall the same thing happening with chicken pox although I think it was one of my sisters that brought it home from school.

[68fastback]

See, that's exactly what my mom did with us kids when the measles (or was it mumps) came around... Took us to the neighbor's house to play with them that had it. We got and got it over with. I seem to recall the same thing happening with chicken pox although I think it was one of my sisters that brought it home from school.

Yep, I remember that too. Though when you had the Mumps it would clear the room of any adult men -lol.

[Tommy Gun]

:ohsnap:

[onecrazydog]

From Johns Hopkins Univ. Hospital regarding COVID-19-



The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (RNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
-42 hours (metal) and -72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.



-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

[68fastback]

Great advice! Looks familiar too :grin:

(posts 1 and 173)

...the "oxygenated water" that is mentioned means hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) ...I guess they assumed we know that.

[Tommy Gun]

:wtg:

[Grabber]

We are barely affected here. Still have 100 times as many deaths from the flu. People are freaking out because the media makes it sound like everyone who gets it dies.
My wife has a friend in her Bible Study class that just had her mom die. This is not the flu. I get what your saying about the media.

[HSURB]

Here is a site that I keep checking for updates. It is Interactive.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

HSURB®

[68fastback]

:wtg: That Johns Hopkins site is great!!

---

Below site is also useful w/extensive stats/info -- but not interactive.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[68fastback]

This is great!!!

Some comic relief re Covid-19

MASH excerpts that touch on all the key Covid-19 safety 'rules' :rofl3:

https://youtu.be/L5CNHDeF2xA

[twobjshelbys]

The great tp scare of 1973. I dont remember it. Maybe it was regional

https://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/

The CBS Morning Show did s apot on this


https://youtu.be/-Lzqo5IvRyo

[68fastback]

Somehow I never noticed that one.

I recently heard (on radio) that P&G and KC are working to shift TP production from 'industrial' rolls to 'domestic' rolls. Apparently millions of US workers take their daily dump at work -- but are now home. That plus hoarding has made for a shortage of the 'domestic' product which uses very different pulping and production processes. Who knew?

[onecrazydog]

Kazakh bodybuilder's 'marriage' to sex doll girlfriend on hold because of coronavirus26466

https://www.rt.com/sport/484358-kazakh-bodybuilder-sex-doll-marriage-coronavirus/




:confused:

[tekheavy]

:ohthedrama:

[Tommy Gun]

Somehow I never noticed that one.

I recently heard (on radio) that P&G and KC are working to shift TP production from 'industrial' rolls to 'domestic' rolls. Apparently millions of US workers take their daily dump at work -- but are now home. That plus hoarding has made for a shortage of the 'domestic' product which uses very different pulping and production processes. Who knew?


Um, hello?

Everyone poops at work to save water and TP.

Sheesh


:haha:

.

[68fastback]

Kazakh bodybuilder's 'marriage' to sex doll girlfriend on hold because of coronavirus

26466

https://www.rt.com/sport/484358-kazakh-bodybuilder-sex-doll-marriage-coronavirus/




:confused:

:spitcopy:

[68fastback]

Um, hello?

Everyone poops at work to save water and TP.

Sheesh


:haha:

.

:lol: True!!

[Tommy Gun]

:rofl3:

[68fastback]

And work TP is so rough you could use it to grind off rust! :haha:

[68fastback]

Inane new law of the day:

Westchester county (NY suburb and early hot-spot) has temporarily banned the use of leaf blowers.
The reason? 'To not stir up Corona virus in the environment.' :haha:

Totally absurd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twobjshelbys]

26467

[Tommy Gun]

26467


Is that Carnut? :look:


.

[68fastback]

:lol:

[onecrazydog]

On the flip side; pneumonia, heart attack, and stroke deaths have dropped off the charts...


Nothing to see here...

[Tommy Gun]

Anyone know anyone w the virus? :popcorn:



Tek?


.

[68fastback]

Aunt of a friend has it ...doesn't live around here.

[68fastback]

Eventually, once the hospitals have caught up (so to peak), they will loosen restrictions on restaurants and work environments ...at that point the naked truth is it's effectively high risk death sentence for anyone over 60 and/or w/complications. Sadly that 'death risk' will continue until a vaccine is available in volume and/or baked into the annual 'flu' shot.

Thankfully more trials are showing the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + zinc in dramaically slowing the rate at which this virus spreads in your lungs ...precious time to build immuno-resistance and recover on your own at home. But you still have to get tested and start the drugs quickly, preferably by day 2 of expressing symptoms. If over 60 and/or med complications and you wait to day 5 to get tested, you almost certainly will require hospitalization and 80+% will die by day 20 of intubation. That is the naked truth no one is talking about ...yet.

Take away: DON'T WAIT. If symptomatic get tested immediately. If positive and high-risk, DEMAND the above drug regimen -- typically 5 days is adequate.

What pi$$es me off is everyone on TV is so focused on isolation to not blow hospital capacity, rather than on preventing the need for hospitalization among those at greatest risk and for whom this virus is a virtual death sentence without the above information :rant:

[tekheavy]

Anyone know anyone w the virus? :popcorn:



Tek?


.

Yes, I know quite a few people with the virus. A few at work.

[Alloy Dave]

Is that Carnut? :look:


.
It's Mary Barra.

[68fastback]

:lol:

[Alloy Dave]

https://ifunny.co/video/now-that-s-what-i-call-coronavirus-the-top-quarantine-Pcgr0UrX7

Turn sound up

[Tommy Gun]

Yes, I know quite a few people with the virus. A few at work.


:(

[twobjshelbys]

Yes, I know quite a few people with the virus. A few at work.

You do understand that this whole process is not to keep you from getting it but to slow it down to a manageable rate so the hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Eventually almost everyone will get it and those that don't are hermits or live in the badlands of South Dakota. So far no natural immunity has been shown

[68fastback]

Tony, you're so right ...that's why this is still scary ...and will be for quite some time yet, esp if over 60 and/or have other conditions :(

[twobjshelbys]

The Governor of Nevada just announced that many "stay away from each other" rules are being strengthened. The state also shut down auto dealer showrooms (they had been allowed to reopen) and the realtors are no longer allowed to do "open houses" (although individual showings in unoccupied homes allowed.)

The biggest news is that the state has mandated the cessation of religious and church services where 10 or more people gathered. That's probably going to be real controversial. He said he discussed with many church leaders and they are all in agreement. Going to be a tough Easter.

[68fastback]

That's sort of how NY has been managing it too. Possibly Nevada's ramp-up is just a few weeks behind NY's. Nevada's cases are still rising somewhat logarithmically but the daily death rate looks to maybe starting to flatten now (click at bottom of page to pg-2):

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQ wNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04Z WFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9 (https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQ wNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04Z WFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9)

[twobjshelbys]

Last night I heard on the news one doctor say that the recovery prognosis once you're on a respirator is not good, that most people that go on will die. Is there anything to back that up?

[68fastback]

Last night I heard on the news one doctor say that the recovery prognosis once you're on a respirator is not good, that most people that go on will die. Is there anything to back that up?

I heard one doc say the ventilator death rate is 80%!

That's why early diagnosis and immediate HCQ+Azith+Zinc is so important, imo.

[onecrazydog]

immediate HCQ+Azith+Zinc is so important, imo.

Yup, pretty well 100% success rate, and it's cheap... Big Pharma doesn't want you knowing that though...

[Boston Mike]

Last night I heard on the news one doctor say that the recovery prognosis once you're on a respirator is not good, that most people that go on will die. Is there anything to back that up?

Pulmonologist friend of a friend said that they were ventilating incorrectly (treating like viral pneumonia) and that made things worse not better. Something along the lines that there is 3 ways to intubate

[Tommy Gun]

You do understand that this whole process is not to keep you from getting it but to slow it down to a manageable rate so the hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Eventually almost everyone will get it and those that don't are hermits or live in the badlands of South Dakota. So far no natural immunity has been shown



Or a cave #raisingHand

[Tommy Gun]

Yup, pretty well 100% success rate, and it's cheap... Big Pharma doesn't want you knowing that though...


Nah.... lol

[onecrazydog]

Last night I heard on the news one doctor say that the recovery prognosis once you're on a respirator is not good, that most people that go on will die. Is there anything to back that up?


They were putting them on at too high of a pressure... China virus needs low pressure, I think...